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[snip] didnt read any of that shit. I really cant believe any of this is getting stretched out since its clear that there is no evidence from your side.
also im not really responding, just unpacking some thoughts I had at the beginning but wanted to say a bit more nicely.

first off, community bans are pretty much saved for people who break the law/come close to it, like PDF files, cyberstalkers, and people who creep on others in the DMs (to my knowledge).
so demanding one is honestly really funny and sad that you are making a false equivalency of this to that.

Second off (and rant/ramble):

so let me get this right.

you (spider) are saying the following:
you (spider) are experiencing years long harassment from levi, that has somehow manifested due to receiving a ban for RDM.
You(spider) are claiming this ban came from nowhere.
You(spider) are claiming you did nothing wrong, and thus the ban is false.

as a result, you are demanding that someone be community banned.

and let me ask you this:
would you agree with the following:
person A and B are not friends.
Person B joins the server.
Person A tells B "go away, this is my server"
Person A starts harassing B every round by damaging B.
Person A is also friends with C, D, E, ETC.
C,D, and E do not tell person A to stop bothering B.

if you had a problem with my behavior in the 2(?) year old post, the rats one, then you should have an issue with the behavior I described. after all, it is similar behavior to what I just described, minus the "get off server, this is my server". 

(since we've opened that can of worms), if you had a problem with my behavior during the rats scenario, then why did you not have a single issue with your friends in this scenario?
Clearly, you know that popcorning people in the head is annoying. So do your friends, since that has been a bitterly complained topic in the past.
And you know that RDM is wrong. so does everyone.

Another question set:
So if person F attempts RDM on person G, is that suddenly not wrong? It would have been RDM had person F died. So does person F not dying suddenly make it OK to do?

And if F engages in behavior that could potentially kill person G and the behavior is known to be irritable in general, and F does this consistently, is this not harassment (via ARDM)?

and if it was popcorn to the head, is that not Attempted RDM? after all, buckets that hit someone in the head currently deal damage and can kill.

in summary, at least one of your group was tossing popcorn at my head or shoving me for almost every round for the first map played. if that had been you getting popcorned and shoved, wouldn't you feel harassed? after all, you can see in the video I basically stop "playing" murder and start playing "try to dodge getting killed by popcorn". 

Then, following on that, I noticed a distinct lack of "hey mabye we should stop".
it follows that people can be complicit in something by failing to act.
Since apparently we are insistent on having only the highest standards in this thread, should that not mean that you too should have stopped your friends from doing that? and that a failure to do so is complicity?
obviously, that is stupid.

is it true you were swept up in a group ban that had a generic reason? yeah, thats probably true honestly.

what isn't true is that your friends didnt harass me. they very much did. and they did so with ARDM. just because something isn't by word in the rule does not make it allowed or not allowed.
For example, if I popped into murder and started to spam an obscure slur like g**k, I probably would catch a permanent ban off the rip, even though thats not in the rules by word.
If I came into the server, and somehow flung props at someone and brought them to like 1 HP and they died going down map geometry, I'd probably get punished for RDM since I am a majority cause of the damage.

Hell, lets flip over to the TTT rules to help define RDM/ARDM
in TTT rdm is fully killing another player. Ardm is when you damage another player, and is more easily defined as shooting to attempt/attempting to damage someone, for example, with a barrel.
TTT and murder share very similar design. (overarching, big ideas design yall).
so would it not track that if its ARDM on TTT, its likely ARDM on Murder? and that Ardm leads to RDM if the kill occurs?



 how can I not interpret the popcorn and pushing as harassment when its paired with a hostile statement and paired with the fact that I am provably not friends with you at the moment. And for that matter, you know popcorn ARDM can be/is mean, and you had an issue with harassing, so why didnt you stop your friends from carrying out this behavior? 

I do agree, you got banned wrongly.
But you've been unbanned and the rules will change to have better ability to enforce them and to be more clear. I've spoken with Levi about this on length.

clearly, after being banned we are suddenly talking after 2 years, and you messaged me as if we are friends (?).(I have, already, preserved all our DMs so, really, don't delete them. Or do. up to you tbh.)


with all that said, considering how I felt about your group popcorning me in the head for a full map, constantly shoving me, and softlocking me on my murderer round, can you understand my perspective on the matter? How am I supposed to interpret your most recent comm with me? to me, it seemed like there was some ulterior motive and that you were leveraging reviving the friendship with you to obtain footage from me. It seemed like you are reaching out to me in bad faith. It honestly seemed like you are doing this for some other reason that isnt just about undoing the ban.

that's not how friends behave to each other. If we are friends, then lets mend that bridge. If we aren't going to be friends, that fine as well. But do not use the promise of friendship to leverage things out of people. that's weird and manipulative. the tone shift is a huge fucking neck breaking experience.


I checked my footage and saw I had one real file and one file that was corrupted and unuseable. I immediately concluded that if I say/send nothing, you will be upset, and if I send what I have, you will still be upset. Ultimately, you would/did blame me for 'colluding' with Levi, and at that point, I simply opted to sit for a bit.
I didnt collude with Levi. I simply turned over evidence from map 1 once it had processed, stating ARDM consistent.

again, its true you didnt participate in the ARDM. And for that, I am actually not mad with you. I actually called that out to Levi in private quickly.

what I am, however, is disappointed. That, after 2 years, you would attempt to leverage reviving the friendship for the sole purpose of getting video out of me for some purpose. And that when I didn't respond, to sleep on it, you immediately assumed the worst, made accusations about me. That although you approached me in a friendly manner, you didn't behave like a friend on server after two years of no contact.

tldr - agree ban is wrong FOR YOU (then file it in unbans...), hard disagree on persistent harassment from levi to you. Have many questions about your behavior towards me and how it feels manipulative. Have many questions why its OK for your friend group to troll others, but complain bitterly when any trolling occurs to your group.
curious.


not responding to anyone. just had more time to unpack and un-nice-ify what I wanted to say initially.

anyway, back to ignoring this thread. or mabye i'll actually read it so it can hit 10 pages like the annual dinks drama requires. (joking on this one, please close thread).
I really do question the motive behind this whole thread keep chugging along from your involvement. Its clearly not about you being harassed, that's for sure. If it was, there would be a tangible trail of evidence of harassment, which there really is not from the screenshots to be honest with you. did YOU recieve an incorrect ban? yeah, but it was fixed. Poor wording immediately afterwords? absolutely. Harassment? the word stretch is itself stretching.

anyway, someone close this thread, its not gonna go anywhere productive.
and Im not gonna respond to anyone unless they include a goofy shitpost as well that was made with love and care(or hate and indifference, really just include a funny one unrelated to this topic). k, thanks. Bye.











anyway, heres a shitpost so I too am shitposting:

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(anyway, now, really, k, thanks, bye.)