[Sailboat495]

hate to break it to some of you but there isn't really a way to prove that someone "has changed" if they can't play on the server, unless you're looking for a video of him volunteering at a soup kitchen or an animal shelter. just say you don't like the person (which is valid) and move on - there's no point sugarcoating it with some bs reason lol


also people with permanent bans get unbanned all the time, like people who cheat, mass rdm, troll, etc. permanent bans are usually not permanent, just indefinite

Stoke every time he has been perma banned for hitting the max awarn threshold he has claimed he has changed in the appeal, then we unban him eventually and the cycle repeats.   

How many times of someone claiming they have changed but proving they haven't at all is enough?

I'd argue a decent chunk of those warns/bans, like the one that resulted from skullfire warning him for "harassment" which led to a perm ban, was weak as hell and and basically hypocritical harassment from the staff instead (who himself has gotten banned for actually harassing others).

You do know Caribou has literally 1 warn from Skullfire. And that warn is valid.  Additionally it is not fair to the 9 staff that have given him the 10 warns he has to be saying they were harassing him by giving him them.

yes, obviously, but my point is that framing it as "he has three permanent bans" when at least one of them is from a trash warn that put him in that range is disingenuous

[chibill]

hate to break it to some of you but there isn't really a way to prove that someone "has changed" if they can't play on the server, unless you're looking for a video of him volunteering at a soup kitchen or an animal shelter. just say you don't like the person (which is valid) and move on - there's no point sugarcoating it with some bs reason lol


also people with permanent bans get unbanned all the time, like people who cheat, mass rdm, troll, etc. permanent bans are usually not permanent, just indefinite

Stoke every time he has been perma banned for hitting the max awarn threshold he has claimed he has changed in the appeal, then we unban him eventually and the cycle repeats.   

How many times of someone claiming they have changed but proving they haven't at all is enough?

I'd argue a decent chunk of those warns/bans, like the one that resulted from skullfire warning him for "harassment" which led to a perm ban, was weak as hell and and basically hypocritical harassment from the staff instead (who himself has gotten banned for actually harassing others).

You do know Caribou has literally 1 warn from Skullfire. And that warn is valid.  Additionally it is not fair to the 9 staff that have given him the 10 warns he has to be saying they were harassing him by giving him them.

yes, obviously, but my point is that framing it as "he has three permanent bans" when at least one of them is from a trash warn that put him in that range is disingenuous

All the warns he had that pushed him over the point threshold (which between this ban and the pervious perma ban he successfully appealed , had actual increased in points needed for a perma ban from awarn) were warranted.  His latest ban was mostly caused by repeatedly flaming our staff over temporarily mishandling a report. Which got him a 6 point flaming warn, pushing him over the 32 point threshold.

[Sailboat495]

All the warns he had that pushed him over the point threshold (which between this ban and the pervious perma ban he successfully appealed , had actual increased in points needed for a perma ban from awarn) were warranted.  His latest ban was mostly caused by repeatedly flaming our staff over temporarily mishandling a report. Which got him a 6 point flaming warn, pushing him over the 32 point threshold.

noted - obviously, I'm not without my bias as I'm friends with Caribou and enjoy playing with him, I just disagree with others in that he has shown he can't be trusted or unbanned. I've been around this server for a long time (admittedly, not as much recently as before, but I'm still getting on and playing), and don't see anything in his behavior that indicates he wouldn't be able to return and play. My experience with him is that he is actually relatively tame and the disconnect between him & others is the threshold for trolling/banter on the server. Some of the things that he would be warned or punished for is definitely things that he could have reported to staff that others were doing to him, but simply didn't register to him as an actual punishable offense because of his different perception of what constitutes as rule breaking (i.e. flaming, harassment, etc) than others. For example, I don't think he's ever been frequently warned (if ever) for something as universal as slurring, cheating, intentional mass rdm, etc, which would support my point.

If it means anything, I'll add that I myself haven't been punished for much of anything on this server - I might have like one or two warns over a 4 year period. I'll talk with Caribou myself and try to align his perspective with the server and make sure that he doesn't go too far in others' POV of things that happen on the server. It's hard to believe, but I really don't see him as someone who explicitly gets on the server in order to agitate others, I think there are moments where he jokes around a little too far but that can be easily reined in.

[The Festive Banana]

Having played with them multiple times, I don't think they should be unbanned due to not showing any actual change. -1

[Veni Vidi Vivie]

As an inactive player, i Gotta weigh in on this. -1, When is this community gonna stop letting its abusive stepdad back into the fold. The divorce was years ago move on

[Damien1579]

I think the only fair way for the admins to let caribou back in is to keep them on an extremely short leash like 6 points away from a perma or something while also having it be the final final time they can appeal for a long time. If caribou is gonna come back and do the same thing they'll just get rebanned.

caribou does have a history of being a really bad problem player but I don't think it's fair to compare to other players because the situations are so different to other people. The cases between other players with big ban/warn histories are very different depending on the player (shaye, sweepy, SpencerG, steelwaffle, Pooh.. to name a few)

+1/+0

[fanta]

It's just gmod, literally just ban him if he acts out again. Half you mods sit in discord typing away half your time in this community anyway, typing out a ban for him should come second nature to a lot of you guys. Caribou is awesome and needs to return to the server, just keep him on a probation period and re-ban him if he steps out of line. Server has already lost a lot of regulars, why not bring him back and potentially have some of the older fun players return.

[Dinomoto]

It's just gmod, literally just ban him if he acts out again. Half you mods sit in discord typing away half your time in this community anyway, typing out a ban for him should come second nature to a lot of you guys. Caribou is awesome and needs to return to the server, just keep him on a probation period and re-ban him if he steps out of line. Server has already lost a lot of regulars, why not bring him back and potentially have some of the older fun players return.

okay two things.

1. If they're so "awesome" then why are they banned?
2. If you need a troublemaker back for older regulars to return then I'd rather not -1

[chapman]

Eh, worst case scenario is you just ban him again. He's not trying to do character attacks this time compared to his last appeal, so that's growth.


+1

[CrAcKbOnE]

+-0 I don't think his behavior will have changed at all but I don't understand how is he suppose to show any change if he is banned. There's nothing new he can say at this point. Considering he was banned of a threshold and If we leave the unexpired warns he has then if he acts up again it should be a quick ban either way.