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Should Sprays Be Enabled?
#21
(12-10-2019, 10:59 PM)Connar Wrote: Just make it Regular or Master +, and revoke it from anyone who ever sprays an NSFW image or abuses it or whatever. I'm pretty sure you can revoke the command from people individually. Make them post a ban appeal to get it back

And yeah the addon for this is like three lines of code, in fact I just googled some random shit and it's 7 kilobytes. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/f...=264112711

It looks like that addon only allows you to add/remove the ability to open the spray tracking menu for normal users, and doesn't have anything to do with the spraying itself unless the player is blacklisted. SprayMon is widely used and has a feature for spray delay for certain ranks, although I don't really know what that does exactly. Spraymon doesn't have an integrated blacklist feature though, you can only ban the player through the steamid it gives you.

If sprays are going to get added, I second that there would DEFINITELY have to be a way to filter by rank. The unfiltered gmod population isn't exactly kosher..
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#22
We seem to forget that some of our biggest trolls are our regulars on TTT

And don’t worry, the workload increases by rank. When you have 19 reports open and that guy is still insisting his hours need to be updated...

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#23
(12-10-2019, 11:54 PM)matt_st3 (Strongrule) Wrote: We seem to forget that some of our biggest trolls are our regulars on TTT

And don’t worry, the workload increases by rank. When you have 19 reports open and that guy is still insisting his hours need to be updated...

So for ttt it would be better for donor and staff so that will cut down the amount of trolls and that have the rank and will be easier to handle.
#24
First I would like to point to two other threads on this same topic that have some insightful information (not to mention if you search sprays on the forums there are other threads that cover this topic):
Thread from 2017

Thread from mid 2019


I am going to stick with my stance from the second thread I posted there.  I personally never want to see sprays on the servers again.  The Gmod exploit with sprays as far as Im aware was never fixed, and causes a security issue for players.  The addon versions for sprays fix that exploit but Im still highly against the addon.

From what I've experienced staffing elsewhere with a server that allowed sprays through an addon, the system was far from perfect.  While that addon used imgur images to provide the spray, there was still a LOT of instances of porn/gore/etc.  Even with addons that show the Steamid/name of the user, you would still have to track down where people report seeing an inappropriate spray by either getting there in game or spectating to find where they spray it (imo a waste of staff's time).  It gets tricky with underage staff as well (which there are a handful of them) when it comes to collecting "evidence" of said inappropriate sprays because not only is that person exposing underage players/staff to those things, you're asking underage staff to provide "evidence" of inappropriate sprays.  Furthermore, the issue of grey areas and discretion are a pain to handle as well because what one person finds ok others may not (this was a major issue on the other servers I've staffed because the regular players/donors decided to see how far they could push boundaries).  And note I won't go into the issues of dealing with CP sprays because that's a whole separate mess to handle (one that needs to be handled very carefully).

Tldr; exploits with the gmod system and issues with the addon system that make sprays a hassle.
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#25
I skimmed through Avi's post but I understand what she says. Also, even if you gave it access to the trusted ranks like donors and higher, they will still abuse the spray and break the rules. A lot of the people that got punished for using NSFW spray were all donor rank and higher. You think you can trust them, but you just cancer. I do recall how it was heavily abused when we used to be on enjin days, and it was mostly staff that used the sprays at that time, I believe it was restricted to Supporter and higher for sprays at that time. Supporter is a rank below donor and it was a paid thing. It's now or at least I think that it's being used as demoted donor now if I recalled correctly.

So I am in full support of a no as well.
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#26
I'd like to thank everyone for stopping by and throwing out their opinion, it gives a lot more insight as to why stuff is the way it is.
I've also realized, I make a lot of wild debate threads I need to stop lmao.

oh, and we should probably disable sprays on murder if it's that big of a security issue because, well, it's more active than DR.
#27
I would love them to be enabled but it will surely cause problems without an addon
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#28
it will cause problems no matter what

The only way sprays wouldnt be a problem if they behaved like a pointshop items. where players could pick a spray from that.


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