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I didn't want to put Addressing in the title. - Printable Version +- Dinkleberg's GMod (https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site) +-- Forum: Community (https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/forumdisplay.php?fid=5) +--- Forum: Farewells and Resignations (https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/forumdisplay.php?fid=119) +--- Thread: I didn't want to put Addressing in the title. (/showthread.php?tid=20373) |
RE: I didn't want to put Addressing in the title. - Nelluc9 - 11-22-2025 I just wanna say that communication and deliberation in #ttt-dev-chat is the norm and that transparency and communication between the devs and admins is essential to make content updates go smoothly. This is purely an observation of your actions as a dev and NOT a comment or dig on anything else, but I believe that when you tried to push content through the DM’s of Virunas and Dink it bypassed the proper avenues that other content goes through to get added to the server. I want our changes to be chronicled in the dev chat so we can collaborate on it, and bypassing those avenues kind of defeats the purpose. RE: I didn't want to put Addressing in the title. - Elise Succubus Cat - 11-22-2025 (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote: Lots of words (I can't paste this all or it will be a mile long).I took the time to read this post and I am getting mixed feelings about it. D33r, you clearly have very strong feelings about this community as it has grown into a part of your life especially due to how long you have spent here. The first time I met you I was a little iffy because there are some things I definitely could have seen handled better emotionally (you and me both though I won’t play that down my own shortcomings). If I were you I would have definitely shortened this post quite a bit but from what I am able to gather: the chain of command has pretty scarce communication with each other and that can lead to delayed or sometimes inconclusive responses. I hope at some point I can see more of the brilliant minds inside of the staff team work together to bring positive change and also try to be a little more accommodating to different mindsets. I am trying to take my most neutral stance on this post by the way, I myself own a community and I have learned a lot of things over the last year of what works and doesn’t for trying to manage a staff team. Anyways good luck everyone. ^^ RE: I didn't want to put Addressing in the title. - Jammin - 11-22-2025 Some of my comments are going to be rather direct, there's no intention for this to hurt feelings/etc. Just speaking my piece. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote: ...I'm not going to continue giving to a community that spits venom back at me. Weather they want to say its their ironic characters or "just a joke" I didn't like any of it. Joining the server to have someone say "you suck" because I didn't agree to a change they wanted to the way people would say "yeah, why don't you go do that" coming off in such a sour way. I'm not going to put all this genuine effort into something and making the changes I want to see for people to tell me how they would have done it.In fairness, this is how staff are treated on a daily basis, particularly the admins. When you contribute to this community, you have to sift through the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and disregard the brainrot. And lord knows this community has a hella lot of brainrot. But, genuine feedback from the community is important to bear in mind. Perhaps some kind of google form or forum thread could be a better means of feedback for the dev team in place of DM's to individual devs? Maybe a suggestion channel? Part of "staffing" is ignoring the stupid. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:I'm personally on Murl's side. Sorry. You could have said "I don't have a timestamp" instead of giving such a runaround response. Murl was working hard to coordinate a fix, and your response comes off as abrasive and immature to me. I think this is a minor issue for a community member, but something of significance when you are going to be representing the server. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:Trusted role is more than "just doing reports" even in game. As trusted, you are a representative of the admin team and Dink at that time. Your handling of reports as a trusted is doing so on behalf of the admins/dink. Frankly, you have to be trusted to be capable of seeing the @ admin chat - that alone is a big step. There's a reason why most folks aren't given donor+ - we see admin chat, and you have to be trusted to see that chat and keep any reports there in confidence. I'm not implying that you can or cannot be trusted, I'm mainly responding to the "Just Trusted" comment. Even just an in-game rank is more than just a reports handler, when setting aside the "access to staff chat" argument. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:I'm not sure I agree with this particular statement, as you were responsive to some items, and threads can devolve into a petty back-and-forth fairly quickly. I'm more concerned about information potentially missing from the app to begin with, as the motivation initially listed turned out to not be correct. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:Sure you aren't the only player or staff to report then keep doing it, but you are the only player with a staff application doing so. Just because enforcing/fixing random exploits aren't a top priority, doesn't make it acceptable to continue to, well, exploit the exploits. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:I'll just add onto what Tiefling said, just about every admin that resigns from here resigns a burnt out person, tired of the nonsense. Even with the highest levels of self-control, burnout is a difficult issue to manage, even in life in general. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:The phrase "We devs communicated mostly well" and "I never knew when maps were being tested" don't mix. I'm not sure what the point is of this first section. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:I don't see the issue here outside of what Tiefling addressed - seems like you are calling her out for admin giving themselves PS2 items - something that has been done since the dawn of time. If you are putting in admin-level work, you get the admin-level perks. Every TTT admin has done this, who really cares? As one of the few who have given actual money to this server, I don't care. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:That's, not, how development is supposed to work. It is a collaborative effort, and it seems you are just trying to sidestep the process. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:So, you are bothering Chibill when he's trying to play TTT with admin stuff, got it. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:Let me ask a question, why does Tiefling need to justify her support or lack thereof? If you don't get support, you don't get support. All you are entitled to on a staff app is the collective decision and, if denied, some constructive feedback. Not a full individual accounting. You will never please everybody. If someone doesn't particularly support you, you can't always correct that. This reads as "tiefling must justify their disapproval to me" - if that is the case, that's a bad attitude to take on. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:As a dev, bypassing the dev/admin team is not exactly increasing trustworthiness. Also, just because you send something to the admins, doesn't mean they have to accept it. You propose things to the admins, and they accept or decline and send it to dink. Believe it or not, Dink declines suggestions from the admins all the time. You don't see a mass rebellion over that, do you? No. If I had something rejected as an admin, I took the feedback and took action. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:Your most recent app didn't address the concerns from the previous app. It seems as simple as that. Also, actions of the past impact your future reputation as a staff member. But I believe you are not getting staff due to the reasons listed. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:I think you are caring WAY too much about what random people say about you on the internet. Forum rep - who cares? I'm probably in the top 10 or so in forum rep - who the hell cares? Internet points are meaningless in life. Also, not to toot my own horn, but I notice I generally get positive rep from having good takes. It is exceedingly rare to get a -1 by some friend group spamming, and even if they do - who the hell cares? It has literally no impact on your life. Or it really shouldn't. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:I'm just going to summarize the rest of this for now, due to time obligations. "In the end this IS just a game." You seem to be treating this as some vast conspiracy that the current admins are perpetuating. Are the admins perfect, no. Are they intentionally delaying your app? Skipping your hacking video? Not adding things to the server? I would venture to guess, no, they are not intentionally doing so. I would venture to guess that all 3 admins are unpaid volunteers, working many hours a week to support a server providing no financial benefit to themselves. I would venture to guess that each sacrifices time away from their family, friends, loved ones, to spend time with this community, because this community has one of the better TTT servers left. I think you were denied your staff app because you weren't ready to become a TTT Trusted. and frankly, this entire thread seems to support that notion. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:Donor+ decisions are Dinks and dinks alone. Given the work you've done, I won't be surprised if you get it. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:I'll echo Bryan's appreciation. Even during my tenure as discord admin, you were constantly providing suggestions for new emojis, stickers, etc - and I feel I took those into a fair consideration. I thank you for your contributions, both to me personally in the discord, and to the server. (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote: (11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote:I would advise trying to organize your statements a bit better in the future, even I had trouble following some of this. Granted I'm a senile old man, but still, this was an incredibly long read without a very clear flow. RE: I didn't want to put Addressing in the title. - 茶 Tea - 11-23-2025 i'm not gonna claim to have read the entire post but i skimmed it and here's my take. a lot of people here think a lot of things are about them personally and they just aren't. like maybe 10% of the things that affect you are about you. the rules and their enforcement are needlessly strict and realistically like 70% of it at least could be trimmed, but that has nothing to do with you. the admins aren't doing it because they hate you personally, they're doing it because this community hates fun. for the same reason, i 100% agree with you about the maps. all the fun maps sit at 60% approval (nuclearpower), get removed (terrortrain), or are never added at all (airbus, at least not in living memory). but i guess this whole comment was just a rant about me disliking gmod ttt servers. i'll miss you deerly have fun in retirement RE: I didn't want to put Addressing in the title. - d33r - 11-23-2025 (11-23-2025, 04:58 AM)茶 Tea Wrote: but i guess this whole comment was just a rant about me disliking gmod ttt servers. i'll miss you deerly have fun in retirementyou never got on for your spraycan, your emoji was added for a bit but then got replaced with a clown joining the server RE: I didn't want to put Addressing in the title. - 茶 Tea - 11-23-2025 (11-23-2025, 11:45 AM)d33r Wrote:ive been meaning to i prommy; it's just that every time i go to join the server no one's on(11-23-2025, 04:58 AM)茶 Tea Wrote: but i guess this whole comment was just a rant about me disliking gmod ttt servers. i'll miss you deerly have fun in retirementyou never got on for your spraycan, your emoji was added for a bit but then got replaced with a clown joining the server RE: I didn't want to put Addressing in the title. - thaye - 11-23-2025 All i really want to add on to this thread is a clarification on two points. One: I was of the opinion that the Cata / Dolly teaming warn was valid, I dont even recall making a statement on that situation in game or public/staff discord. Two: generally unless a situation is something mild like just passing evidence or a few other rare exceptions, I will not forward DMs or the feelings/sentiment in them to staff chat; I do not believe its right or my place to do that on another's behalf without being asked. RE: I didn't want to put Addressing in the title. - QuantumEdge - 11-23-2025 Chibill won't get away with this again. RE: I didn't want to put Addressing in the title. - d33r - 11-24-2025 (11-22-2025, 04:24 PM)chibill Wrote:Like I said Predictability and Coincidences are not me having leaked access. It's like when Jack lied on my staff app saying with grantee that someone was leaking staff chat to me because he was blocked, It's like when I told ObiTwo his staff app was getting accepted I just assumed and started saying shit. I don't know any of these things I'm just saying it because its what I expect to happen. Everytime I get accused of this do you ever wonder why nothing comes up (this isn't directly at you)? Because my source is that I made it the fuck up.(11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote: I'm sure I've annoyed Chibill at this rate with my annoying comments about the new melee weapons which I'm sorry for, but this is not the reaction an admin really should be given when asked for simply an update. I'm not asking for your admin chat cliff notes. Which I also need to clarify again that there is no leaker I don't have some funky alt in admin or staff chat. Predictability and Coincidences are not me having leaked access to it, please stop being schizophrenic about it. I don't know why you are mentioning this. Yes it accelerated my leave of dev team for the previously stated reason of how I felt players were treating me but I don't see why you need to emphasis it was a valid warn. I have only asked you to do a single thing as I've left and thats to add the last two melee weapons. It takes less than 30 seconds but you wish to be stubborn about it for genuinely no reason. I know I've also asked you about the maps multiple times while I was on dev team but I wasn't getting a response at all/updates on it. If I'm supposed to be a Dev why is this considered "leaked" information genuinely. Also I asked you if she forwarded my report to you because as I mention with the report on Jack it was perceived by me that neither of you cared about the report so I wanted to know if she shared it with the rest of the team to be discussed or if it was just ignored. I remember you telling me before that she hadn't forwarded one of my reports to you, I was under the assumption she had/was supposed to do that. So it could be discussed amongst all admins for a proper decision. Please tell me what the actual issue is with wanting to know if my report is being taken seriously or if its being ignored. My message in the dev channel was not at all a "crash put" and neither was me leaving. That had already been a decision I made to leave at the end of the year, I only didn't want to suddenly leave because I don't like having to repeat why I left multiple times. You also have indeed made it very clear I'm no longer allowed to have any input on any of the items I created for the server. I find this to just be stupidly stubborn but that is just my opinion. RE: I didn't want to put Addressing in the title. - chibill - 11-24-2025 (11-24-2025, 08:06 PM)d33r Wrote:(11-22-2025, 04:24 PM)chibill Wrote:Like I said Predictability and Coincidences are not me having leaked access. It's like when Jack lied on my staff app saying with grantee that someone was leaking staff chat to me because he was blocked, It's like when I told ObiTwo his staff app was getting accepted I just assumed and started saying shit. I don't know any of these things I'm just saying it because its what I expect to happen. Everytime I get accused of this do you ever wonder why nothing comes up (this isn't directly at you)? Because my source is that I made it the fuck up.(11-22-2025, 03:04 AM)d33r Wrote: I'm sure I've annoyed Chibill at this rate with my annoying comments about the new melee weapons which I'm sorry for, but this is not the reaction an admin really should be given when asked for simply an update. I'm not asking for your admin chat cliff notes. Which I also need to clarify again that there is no leaker I don't have some funky alt in admin or staff chat. Predictability and Coincidences are not me having leaked access to it, please stop being schizophrenic about it. Why all the colors making it hard to read this at all. These comments are in no order, I don't have the mind set to order then after reading that. I was being "stubborn" because I am not going to bypass all the other admins' decision making regarding prices and what items are where just because you feel entitled since you made the item, that's not how that ever worked. Additionally your melee items that got added without proper testing because you bypassed the proper channel and directly asked an admin to send it to dink instead of getting it added to test by posting it in the dev channel and letting them, you know, actually be tested, they were added without testing and had multiple bugs that persisted for days that you didn't even accept were an issue initially. As it is I need to take a look at them, since some seem to do very inconsistent things with lag compensation which according to the wiki can break movement of the affect entities. You literally started saying your app was denied already before we said anything even asking why we haven't posted the denial yet, when we had not even made a solid decision yet. Additionally in your crash out, even before we made a decision you said you were already told you app was denied. You were even commenting withing a couple min about stuff getting posted into admin chat instead of just getting sent straight to dink when no one mentioned that at all. If that's coincidence, you would start a fortune telling biz. Additionally you went off about Widdy just because she said she would never get staff. No idea why you thought she was talking about you, considering the whole convo in the voice chat was between Bigsad and Widdy. Also I am mentioning you warn since you literally overreacted to a simple valid warn and just decided to burn bridges and then continual try and find reasons to have us ban the person you think is reasonable for your warn. Also if you didn't know what you were getting yourself into when you joined the dev team with dealing with the player base, why try and join a role that is even more criticizing with a staff app? Also normally reports on players aren't done thru admins, its done thru the forums unless its something serious you want to remain anonymous about. And even then, they aren't discussed among the admins on how to handle it alone. You shouldn't except special treatment, especially with your recent report that literally just seems like an attempt at revenge against the person you decided was responsible for your warn, when no rule was even broken. |