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RE: Addressing the State of TTT- The Pandemic, Toxicity, Burning out - Battons - 06-17-2020 I feel like staff are too hesitant to act immediately. For example, if player A who is my friend does something to player B who isn't my friend I will be more likely to wait before punishing A. Then if B starts snapping back I instantly hawk B. I feel like this feeling of getting away with things by being friends with the staff is how we have gotten to this current state. That and some very large voices in the community who make it well known they only stick around to cause problems because they are bored instead of actually playing, have made others feel more comfortable being unpleasant people. Currently I've changed my staffing method to a hammer down, don't respond to trouble makers and stand firm behind my choices style and so far it seems to work decent. RE: Addressing the State of TTT- The Pandemic, Toxicity, Burning out - Noire ♜ - 06-18-2020 So yeah, I had something super long typed up but I just accidentally deleted it all so here's a list of what I think we could work on. 1. What can staff do better?
2. What can the playerbase do better?
3. What can I as Admin do better?
To add a bit more to this section, I think you're doing simply alright as an admin Nicol. As a sole admin, I think you're doing a wonderful job. You're busy as hell and have got a lot on your plate. I'm sure that a lot of these issues could be solved if you just sat at your computer all day but, life does exist. Oh, and I think waiting seven days to accept or deny a request or an application is a bit daft if it's not getting any traffic but that goes back to my last sentence. I think that this thread was a great idea to let people voice their opinions and it's a step in the right direction. :) 4. What can you as a player or staff member do? Well, I'm gonna do my best. I'll help out where I can and hopefully maintain a somewhat positive attitude about the server while I do it. I've been having a pretty good time on TTT here recently so I'm thinking I'm doing something right as a staff member. I'd love feedback from everyone though because I know I can be a bit dense. RE: Addressing the State of TTT- The Pandemic, Toxicity, Burning out - Nicol Bolas - 06-18-2020 (06-17-2020, 10:16 PM)Battons Wrote: I feel like staff are too hesitant to act immediately. For example, if player A who is my friend does something to player B who isn't my friend I will be more likely to wait before punishing A. Then if B starts snapping back I instantly hawk B. I feel like this feeling of getting away with things by being friends with the staff is how we have gotten to this current state. That and some very large voices in the community who make it well known they only stick around to cause problems because they are bored instead of actually playing, have made others feel more comfortable being unpleasant people. For the most part I do agree. While recently there has not been large cases of favoritism or inconsistency, it has happened. None of which ever feels malicious or even purposeful by our staff members but I've talked to them nonetheless. If anything I feel like inconsistency and favoritism have gone quite down these past few months as I've been encouraging staff to look for signs of it. I, and hopefully all other staff members, will take the time to realize any favoritism or inconsistency with how we staff. Mistakes happen of course but hopefully staff, and nonestaff, who read this will take something away from it. And yes I'm also replying to you @"Noire" I just didn't wanna quote you on mobile lol RE: Addressing the State of TTT- The Pandemic, Toxicity, Burning out - Beskar Baron - 06-18-2020 (06-17-2020, 06:18 PM)MilkManFromMars Wrote: @Nicol Bolas i dont feel like quoting it and hiding or deleting it all so I'm just gonna tag youI think if we have somewhere to post the minor evidence we have, whether it too little evidence ( a single clip of micspam) or not conclusive on its own (IE a single screenshot of chat harassment is all we have, because they kept it to voice otherwise), WITHOUT alerting the trolls we are collecting evidence on them, that would be nice. Attach the name and steam ID, and then we have a repository of evidence on troublemakers where the evidence is incomplete. Maybe make it work like the discord report thing, where it prompts the questions, and then saves your evidence, without recording it publicly. Then, if staff decide there is reason to ban, they post all related evidence into a ban request or something. This would also be something the staff take part in. You come on and slay someone who people tell you mass RDMed, but only one person reported it because half of the people were AFK: evidence. You gag someone for using the "hard R": evidence. Also, staff MUST hold each other responsible, and enforce the rules on each other. No more getting away with propkills because they are staff, and if another staff oversteps their bounds, IMMEDIATELY call them out on it. No more "Oh, that is way to harsh, but you are the staff, so my opinion as staff doesn't matter." or "Oh, you broke the rules, but you are a moderator, so what could I do?" Edit: it double posted here Remember: A few bad apples spoils the whole bunch. If you stand by while someone else makes things worse, and you are in a position to act, you are just as complicit as the wrongdoer. RE: Addressing the State of TTT- The Pandemic, Toxicity, Burning out - lacer - 06-18-2020 (06-18-2020, 03:12 PM)Saitama Wrote:That's what they have the staff discord for. Like Nicol said somewhere else, they have a watchlist of people who are problematic on the server.(06-17-2020, 06:18 PM)MilkManFromMars Wrote: @Nicol Bolas i dont feel like quoting it and hiding or deleting it all so I'm just gonna tag youI think if we have somewhere to post the minor evidence we have, whether it too little evidence ( a single clip of micspam) or not conclusive on its own (IE a single screenshot of chat harassment is all we have, because they kept it to voice otherwise), WITHOUT alerting the trolls we are collecting evidence on them, that would be nice. Attach the name and steam ID, and then we have a repository of evidence on troublemakers where the evidence is incomplete. Maybe make it work like the discord report thing, where it prompts the questions, and then saves your evidence, without recording it publicly. Then, if staff decide there is reason to ban, they post all related evidence into a ban request or something. This idea of yours would also require somebody to keep all of the evidence sorted so that nobody is banned off of evidence meant for someone else. I know that sounds silly, but the staff are humans too. They're bound to make mistakes. Who would be the person that has to run through the evidence to prevent something like that? Nicol? He has enough on his plate as is. I don't know, just seems a little unrealistic to me. RE: Addressing the State of TTT- The Pandemic, Toxicity, Burning out - Beskar Baron - 06-18-2020 (06-18-2020, 11:08 AM)Nicol Bolas Wrote: For the most part I do agree. While recently there has not been large cases of favoritism or inconsistency, it has happened. None of which ever feels malicious or even purposeful by our staff members but I've talked to them nonetheless. If anything I feel like inconsistency and favoritism have gone quite down these past few months as I've been encouraging staff to look for signs of it.There was an entire situation where I almost fractured the community because a blatant troll was getting away with trolling because of friendships within the past 6 months. RE: Addressing the State of TTT- The Pandemic, Toxicity, Burning out - lacer - 06-18-2020 (06-18-2020, 03:26 PM)Saitama Wrote:Maybe it'd be best not to bring this back up. You were at fault for escalating that situation as much as the "blatant troll" was.(06-18-2020, 11:08 AM)Nicol Bolas Wrote: For the most part I do agree. While recently there has not been large cases of favoritism or inconsistency, it has happened. None of which ever feels malicious or even purposeful by our staff members but I've talked to them nonetheless. If anything I feel like inconsistency and favoritism have gone quite down these past few months as I've been encouraging staff to look for signs of it.There was an entire situation where I almost fractured the community because a blatant troll was getting away with trolling because of friendships within the past 6 months. RE: Addressing the State of TTT- The Pandemic, Toxicity, Burning out - Beskar Baron - 06-18-2020 (06-18-2020, 03:23 PM)Laced Xanax Wrote: That's what they have the staff discord for. Like Nicol said somewhere else, they have a watchlist of people who are problematic on the server.Staff. That is the problem word here. not everyone can access the staff forums. The thing is, the absolute worst of the problem comes from that small portion of trolls who knows how to not have enough evidence on them to get them banned. But still, there are going to be tiny pieces of evidence that people gather despite this. It won't be enough to get something done, so they don't post it and the troll goes scott free. @"Noire" I don't know how the discord user report bot works, but would it be possible to get a variant that asks for steam ID, a couple of short tags to describe the reason (rdm, chat spam, toxicity, micspam, etc), and the evidence, then saves the evidence into a folder named with the steam ID, naming the evidence files with the reason tag and differentiating them by adding a number (like RDM1 RDM2 and RDM3 for three pieces of rdm evidence? No one who isn't staff can see this, and then those little bits will build up to go a long way. RE: Addressing the State of TTT- The Pandemic, Toxicity, Burning out - dong - 06-18-2020 The discord user report function is only made for people who are breaking discord TOS or our server rules, it isn’t supposed to be meant for GMod related things RE: Addressing the State of TTT- The Pandemic, Toxicity, Burning out - lacer - 06-18-2020 (06-18-2020, 03:35 PM)Saitama Wrote:That's why, if you don't think you have enough evidence for a ban, you send it to an Admin or Mod. At the very least, they'll keep an eye on the player. The staff aren't the problem, it's the lack of trust thereof.(06-18-2020, 03:23 PM)Laced Xanax Wrote: That's what they have the staff discord for. Like Nicol said somewhere else, they have a watchlist of people who are problematic on the server.Staff. That is the problem word here. not everyone can access the staff forums. |