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Slay for anything I guess - Furry Eradicator - 02-13-2025
I guess we slay for anything now, I literally watch someone shoot at someone, SEE BLOOD, see them run away and close the door behind them, them I kill them.
I got reported and a slay added for next round. I kept telling the mod to check the deathscene I can literally see them shooting at someone. Yet I was still slain and told I didn't see "who" they shot and according to the new MOTD I'm being slain. So now I need to know the victim before I can kill? The body was never even ID'd and they clearly ran away. Was I supposed to let the guy get away, run back into that room, check who was killed, then go find them? I think it's the most insane slay I've ever received in all my years.
here is a link to the clip (valid for 2 days): https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/6295179229766119/5F5BDF7CFAE97ADB0D4A8BCD102839D8E32F20AC/
RE: Slay for anything I guess - icey - 02-13-2025
yeah i wouldnt have slain you for that tbh
edit: after receiving more information, i would have slain you for that
RE: Slay for anything I guess - Ryan - 02-13-2025
Menvy shot joker first. Joker shot back in self defense. There was no kill, so also no unid body.
I personally wouldnt have kept the report, but it is RDM.
Also to respond to "needing to know the vic," The deathscene was sent to me last night, and it looked like you couldnt see the vic/know they were there. Your vid shows that you did see them, but it was still self defense.
RE: Slay for anything I guess - murl - 02-13-2025
This is a gray area in TTT but I think the golden rule is to let two people finish fighting it out before you get involved if you did not see what initiated the gunfire. However, viewing the clip, I think most people would kill in this situation since the reporting player didn't call anyone out in chat, you saw them run away after shooting at someone, AND you didn't see a popup indicating that they ID'd a body, which is traitorous imo. Gray area reports like this shouldn't be slain for. Staff should be confident in dismissing reports like this. (edit nvm i was wrong there was no body)
edit: I know the T didn't shoot first in this situation, but not IDing whoever he just killed cost him his life IMO. If he ID'd the body then he would definitely have a basis to report on given he didn't start the fight. I just don't think it's slayable here
RE: Slay for anything I guess - Im A Bald Eagle - 02-13-2025
I know it's hard, especially if you're coming from a different server with different rules, but please try not to kill based on assumptions. Instead of shooting & killing that guy right away, here's what you should do in that scenario:
- Call sus right away
- Remain on guard & ready for a fight
- Ask what just happened (because sometimes there's a good reason to behave like that)
- Visit the crime scene and look for unID'd bodies
What you didn't see was that he was shooting at someone else that had shot him first. What you also didn't see is that the person that picked the fight with him escaped before dying. Those are things you could have discovered following the steps above instead.
While I agree that this is a report that would be best if forgiven, and the majority of the time there wouldn't even be a report for something that was that close, it is still against the rules. I also understand that this sort of thing feels like an intuitive kill and people are going to continue to kill like this moving forward - it's just unavoidable. I just ask that you try to be a bit more patient in the moment if possible, and if not, at least be as diplomatic as possible during the report process.
Also just as a side note, I'm pretty confident that that particular rule was not changed between the old MOTD and the current MOTD.
(02-13-2025, 03:26 PM)murl Wrote: edit: I know the T didn't shoot first in this situation, but not IDing whoever he just killed cost him his life IMO. If he ID'd the body then he would definitely have a basis to report on given he didn't start the fight. I just don't think it's slayable hereThere was no body to ID. The person who instigated the fight escaped before they died
RE: Slay for anything I guess - Ryan - 02-13-2025
(02-13-2025, 03:26 PM)murl Wrote: This is a gray area in TTT but I think the golden rule is to let two people finish fighting it out before you get involved if you did not see what initiated the gunfire. However, viewing the clip, I think most people would kill in this situation since the reporting player didn't call anyone out in chat, you saw them run away after shooting at someone, AND you didn't see a popup indicating that they ID'd a body, which is traitorous imo. Gray area reports like this shouldn't be slain for. Staff should be confident in dismissing reports like this.Menvy didnt die. No body to ID. He was running away from the aggresor.
edit: I know the T didn't shoot first in this situation, but not IDing whoever he just killed cost him his life IMO. If he ID'd the body then he would definitely have a basis to report on given he didn't start the fight. I just don't think it's slayable here
RE: Slay for anything I guess - murl - 02-13-2025
oh okay, I misunderstood. I guess in that case yeah he should have let him run not fully understanding what happened in that room. The T running away from a gunfight like that without calling anyone out makes him very sus but not KOSable, so I think the slay was justified. From a player POV I wouldn't report for that though, but I get it.
RE: Slay for anything I guess - Market Down - 02-13-2025
(02-13-2025, 03:26 PM)murl Wrote: This is a gray area in TTT but I think the golden rule is to let two people finish fighting it out before you get involved if you did not see what initiated the gunfire. However, viewing the clip, I think most people would kill in this situation since the reporting player didn't call anyone out in chat, you saw them run away after shooting at someone, AND you didn't see a popup indicating that they ID'd a body, which is traitorous imo. Gray area reports like this shouldn't be slain for. Staff should be confident in dismissing reports like this. (edit nvm i was wrong there was no body)
edit: I know the T didn't shoot first in this situation, but not IDing whoever he just killed cost him his life IMO. If he ID'd the body then he would definitely have a basis to report on given he didn't start the fight. I just don't think it's slayable here
I personally don't think I can trust the judgement of a man who just got banned for RDM.
All joking aside, going forward- after a firefight, ensure there is a victim and who that victim actually is. If you don't see the body, there is no dead person. It's like schrodingers cat but with TTT. I had a goof of a similar situation a few weeks ago, and got slain for it and had to educate myself on the rules.
Given your logic? I would have forgiven the report. It's sound logic, but not the "level of proof" they're looking for here.
RE: Slay for anything I guess - TDawg4 - 02-13-2025
I understand why you did what u did. (I have done similar before and hoped to not get reported) I think all the points have been addressed above, but usually in this situation a player calls a kos first and you can follow that kos. In this case there was not one.
Also this is not a new rule/change in motd.
RE: Slay for anything I guess - Furry Eradicator - 02-13-2025
Interesting feedback and valid points, but if you see someone shooting at someone like that and run away without KOSing or communicating anything 9/10 players would react like that. I even waited for a second to see if he wrote anything in chat but he just ran away after unloading a clip without saying a peep. Homie also lied to the admins and said he never shot -_- lame report.