[cons]

Ingame Name: cons/conspireing

SteamID: STEAM_0:1:104350280

Who Banned You: EpicGuy

Reason For Ban: I was banned due to allowing a traitor to give me a defib without calling them out, and reviving an innocent player with it.

Length of Ban: Indefinitely

Reason for Mods to Unban: I made a sincere mistake and it won't happen again. We got carried away in the moment and were having a little too much fun. I really enjoy playing on this server and I have donated some of my savings to this server community and don't want our relationship to be ruined over a simple mistake like this. I'm very sorry and would like to play with people I have grown to enjoy playing with ever since coming back from playing in 2016. I'll make sure to call out traitors when they attempt to bribe me with items and to to be a better player and follow all the rules despite the friendships I have made with certain players.

[matt_st3 (Strongrule)]

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@EpicGuy

[EpicGuy]

Sorry it took me so long to respond to this. I'm fine with a reduction, but your teaming with Chezz was obvious. I've never had a problem with you, but I hope you realize that this wasn't the correct course of action of someone who frequents this server often.

[ExiledShadows]

+1 for reduction. He means well and likely never meant for anyone to be hurt in the process or anything like that. I think the consequences slipped his mind.

[cons]

Yes, I understand and will not commit actions like this anymore in the server.

[dero]

This is most likely going to be reduced since you are a 1st time offender (I think) and since this isn't very serious.
+1 for Unban/reduce

[YinYang]

For whatever it's worth from a newbie:

I'd like to campaign for cons's unban. I look for him every time I log onto Dinks and believe he adds value to the server. +1 for unban (if I can do that) or reduction to a one day ban.

Regarding the rule for banning:

I can see that it's definitely game breaking if traitors were allowed to "switch sides" or anything of the sort (which is why it shouldn't be allowed) but there are times where people having fun shouldn't be punished. If I were in that game spectating it would be fun for me to watch but I can see how people might be annoyed at that. Imo, the punishment for revealing you're a T is (in game) death by innocents.

[Scoovie]

For whatever it's worth from a newbie:

I'd like to campaign for cons's unban. I look for him every time I log onto Dinks and believe he adds value to the server. +1 for unban (if I can do that) or reduction to a one day ban.

Regarding the rule for banning:

I can see that it's definitely game breaking if traitors were allowed to "switch sides" or anything of the sort (which is why it shouldn't be allowed) but there are times where people having fun shouldn't be punished. If I were in that game spectating it would be fun for me to watch but I can see how people might be annoyed at that. Imo, the punishment for revealing you're a T is (in game) death by innocents.

Uh a T gave him(an inno) a defib, killed themselves, he then revived another inno, and that inno killed/called out all the Ts he saw while dead. They might get a reduce but not a full unban.

[Deadpoolz]

+1 for reduction. Since this is a first time offense and I'm sure this won't happen again.

[La Flama Blanca]

I've already tried to petition on y'alls behalf on the staff discord, but I suppose it would be wise to make it public here as well. 

First of all, EpicGuy did the right thing at the time and followed proper staff procedure. According to our rules, teaming is a permanent ban. It is, as Matt pointed out to me, defined in our server rules as "Do not team, which is aiding people you know are not on your team." Chezz provided Cons with a defib, thus aiding an innocent. Cons could be perceived as helping Chezz in a way by not revealing her status as a traitor or attacking her. 


I suppose my first line of defense for our defendants here would be how teaming is understood by our players. This is where the definition of teaming is provided in our rules. The definition is buried in a wall of text. I'll even admit that I didn't even know where the definition was located in our rules and I've been on this server for over 4 years. 

5. Do Not Exploit, Hack, Metagame or Otherwise Avoid the Game's Intended Limits
This includes ghosting**, metagaming, hacking, and exploiting maps. Ghosting includes sharing any type of information with someone from the grave that could affect the outcome of a round, including staff. Do not try to escape the map bounds or exploit map bugs that provide an unfair advantage to gameplay. Do not team, which is aiding people you know are not on your team. Do not put your client to 3rd person mode. Do not intentionally crash the server. Do not abuse console commands to exploit the way ingame items work. An exception to the metagaming rule is that you may use the number of remaining living players to deduce the number of living traitors, but only once the game has reached a point where there are so few traitors or players remaining that you cannot be wrong.

My second line of defense is how lax we have been on teaming rules. Often times players use voice chat and "jokingly" ask traitors for traitor equipment. I've even done things that someone might even perceive as teaming in the strictest manner. 

• I've played with 4 people on the server before where one of us was a traitor and planted a 10 minute C4 down. Each innocent then takes turns trying to defuse the C4 without dying. We all knew exactly who the traitor was and were simply trying to have a bit of fun. 
  
• Another instance is when I play and intentionally don't call out traitors. I often see traitors perform a traitorous act yet I don't call it out in voice chat or text chat. I do so to allow myself to get the kill without any other innocents stealing it from me. It's a strategy I've performed since we added wins to the server as it allows me to have a better score since I get the traitor kills as an innocent/detective while others miss out. Does this help the traitors? Perhaps it does, especially if I die without killing them first. Am I intentionally trying to help them? No. 
  

Where do we draw a line on teaming? I sure don't know. The definition we provided is certainly pretty ambiguous about this. Should this definition be expanded? No, I don't think so. I think that the incidents, which tend to be fairly rare, need to be analyzed on a case by case standard during the unban appeals. 


My third defense strategy relates back to my second point. Was this teaming incident done in malice? Absolutely not. Were these two conspiring together to plot against Chezz's own team to allow the innocents to win? I seriously doubt it. This appears to be a simply case of Cons and Chezz goofing around while playing. This certainly doesn't warrant a permanent ban.


My fourth line of defense now relates to the users involved in this incident. Both Chezz and Cons are regulars on the server and are pleasant, friendly individuals. Cons has spent over 300 hours on our server, Chezz has over 100. Is this really what they deserve for their dedication to the server? No. These two have spent entire days of their lives playing on our server and making it a more hospitable place for everyone. 




I recommend a full unban for both Chezz and Cons. They didn't do this in malice. This was a simple mistake and they shouldn't have to suffer a cruel and unusual punishment as a result of it.