[Ryan]

This is the back on topic bell

Notice that we have strayed and the bell is ringing

[Wilfry]

This thread is getting me lost... who was this about and why did demonskullfire said he will resign?

[don't be heavy]

Honestly I think my only problem with Tief is overstepping boundaries by reaching out for private discord/foxka stuff. The rest is all opinion that can go either way. The multi server shit is really up to dink ,but if he hasn't responded or said anything then it is what it is. No one can get to him

[Ryan722]

Hi, sorry this has gotten out of hand but there was briefly an actual constructive discussion happening which is hard to come by these days. Please stop shit posting, derailing, etc. This thread isn't about Skullfire nor sauces (honey mustard goated though).

[slater]

i think murph and nate put it best…

[tiefling lesbian]

Honestly I think my only problem with Tief  is overstepping boundaries by reaching out for private discord/foxka stuff. The rest is all opinion that can go either way. The multi server shit is really up to dink ,but if he hasn't responded or said anything then it is what it is. No one can get to him

I want to again clarify since it may get lost in all of that, I did not reach out to foxka. They reached out to me to ask my opinion on their POTENTIAL staff app (which they had not made yet at the time), and I brought up only the guidelines vandalism incident, which I was using as comment on their untrustworthiness, NOT to solicit leaks from dong's server (which I was still in at the time).

[don't be heavy]

Honestly I think my only problem with Tief  is overstepping boundaries by reaching out for private discord/foxka stuff. The rest is all opinion that can go either way. The multi server shit is really up to dink ,but if he hasn't responded or said anything then it is what it is. No one can get to him

I want to again clarify since it may get lost in all of that, I did not reach out to foxka. They reached out to me to ask my opinion on their POTENTIAL staff app (which they had not made yet at the time), and I brought up only the guidelines vandalism incident, which I was using as comment on their untrustworthiness, NOT to solicit leaks from dong's server (which I was still in at the time).

ah then my bad looking back i think the screenshots are in reverse order on the doc

[chapman]

Honestly I think my only problem with Tief  is overstepping boundaries by reaching out for private discord/foxka stuff. The rest is all opinion that can go either way. The multi server shit is really up to dink ,but if he hasn't responded or said anything then it is what it is. No one can get to him

I want to again clarify since it may get lost in all of that, I did not reach out to foxka. They reached out to me to ask my opinion on their POTENTIAL staff app (which they had not made yet at the time), and I brought up only the guidelines vandalism incident, which I was using as comment on their untrustworthiness, NOT to solicit leaks from dong's server (which I was still in at the time).

My response got buried due to Skullfire's yapping session but you did reach out to me about discord stuff unsolicited. I believe that you were doing so to gather information. Of course, I have no proof of such accusation, but the timing of you reaching out to me was right when BillyBob made a thread about the Day of Defeat Model (thread here: Billybob Thread) (which to my understanding), you were complaining about it in the staff discord.  (Image for Proof of contact)

This contact was random, to say the least. You had no interaction with me between November of 2022 until January this year.


The rest of the points made are opinion based, but this is the only one I think I have a legit issue with. I don't think it means you should be demoted, but I think there needs to be a conversation about boundaries. If someone comes to you about something that's going on, that's great; however, you actively seeking information by trying to be in discords with people you don't like is borderline creepy behavior.

Please correct me on this if I'm mistaken, but I don't think I am. I have no further comments to make on this situation.

[♥Chloe♥]

Honestly I think my only problem with Tief  is overstepping boundaries by reaching out for private discord/foxka stuff. The rest is all opinion that can go either way. The multi server shit is really up to dink ,but if he hasn't responded or said anything then it is what it is. No one can get to him

I want to again clarify since it may get lost in all of that, I did not reach out to foxka. They reached out to me to ask my opinion on their POTENTIAL staff app (which they had not made yet at the time), and I brought up only the guidelines vandalism incident, which I was using as comment on their untrustworthiness, NOT to solicit leaks from dong's server (which I was still in at the time).

You are missing the part where that was the 3rd time you brought up that incident and tried to place fault onto me but ok i guess...

I have no further comments for now but I don't want you to be out here acting like you didn't pester me about this several times. It makes me genuinely uncomfortable to be interrogated like that after having had to ask you to just leave it alone.

[tiefling lesbian]

My response got buried due to Skullfire's yapping session but you did reach out to me about discord stuff unsolicited. I believe that you were doing so to gather information. Of course, I have no proof of such accusation, but the timing of you reaching out to me was right when BillyBob made a thread about the Day of Defeat Model (thread here: Billybob Thread) (which to my understanding), you were complaining about it in the staff discord. 


The rest of the points made are opinion based, but this is the only one I think I have a legit issue with. I don't think it means you should be demoted, but I think there needs to be a conversation about boundaries. If someone comes to you about something that's going on, that's great; however, you actively seeking information by trying to be in discords with people you don't like is borderline creepy behavior.

Yes, I did ask about your server while looking into staff chat leaks. You said you didn't have one anymore and that was that. Other than that I asked around about who was friends with who to keep an eye out for who might have been leaking. I never gave any false pretenses about why I was asking, and I don't believe there are any moral restrictions on admins asking around the community for staff matters.

And like I said before, I was initially invited to dong's discord by jack to hang out with some friends that were there at the time. I didn't even know the discord existed before that.

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You are missing the part where that was the 3rd time you brought up that incident and tried to place fault onto me but ok i guess...

I have no further comments for now but I don't want you to be out here acting like you didn't pester me about this several times. It makes me genuinely uncomfortable to be interrogated like that after having had to ask you to just leave it alone.

I briefly asked you about it in my initial investigation as you were one of several names brought up, said thanks and was on my way. I briefly asked you about it a 2nd time after you were specifically name dropped about having been told about it while it was happening, in which you lied (again) about being told about it while it was happening, but you said you didn't want to be involved so I dropped it. I didn't bring it up again until YOU approached ME for my opinion, which I gave you. Please stop trying to fabricate some longstanding harassment campaign against you.