[chibill]

+-0 I don't think his behavior will have changed at all but I don't understand how is he suppose to show any change if he is banned. There's nothing new he can say at this point. Considering he was banned of a threshold and If we leave the unexpired warns he has then if he acts up again it should be a quick ban either way.

I mean, he is not banned in discord, Prophunt, the forums or murder. Nothing is stopping him frim showing any change.

[frost]

+-0 I don't think his behavior will have changed at all but I don't understand how is he suppose to show any change if he is banned. There's nothing new he can say at this point. Considering he was banned of a threshold and If we leave the unexpired warns he has then if he acts up again it should be a quick ban either way.

I mean, he is not banned in discord, Prophunt, the forums or murder. Nothing is stopping him frim showing any change.

So if caribou were to post in unrelated topics to his ban, it would show he changed? Why would he post anything in prophunt or murder if he's banned on ttt, especially the forums when half the forums are related to ttt which he can't comment on because he's banned?

[Cimag]

+-0 I don't think his behavior will have changed at all but I don't understand how is he suppose to show any change if he is banned. There's nothing new he can say at this point. Considering he was banned of a threshold and If we leave the unexpired warns he has then if he acts up again it should be a quick ban either way.

I mean, he is not banned in discord, Prophunt, the forums or murder. Nothing is stopping him frim showing any change.

So if caribou were to post in unrelated topics to his ban, it would show he changed? Why would he post anything in prophunt or murder if he's banned on ttt, especially the forums when half the forums are related to ttt which he can't comment on because he's banned?

Nothing is stopping him from interacting on the forums, otherwise he wouldn't had been able to make this thread in the first place, his whole engagement has been only the previous appeal and that's it

[frost]

+-0 I don't think his behavior will have changed at all but I don't understand how is he suppose to show any change if he is banned. There's nothing new he can say at this point. Considering he was banned of a threshold and If we leave the unexpired warns he has then if he acts up again it should be a quick ban either way.

I mean, he is not banned in discord, Prophunt, the forums or murder. Nothing is stopping him frim showing any change.

So if caribou were to post in unrelated topics to his ban, it would show he changed? Why would he post anything in prophunt or murder if he's banned on ttt, especially the forums when half the forums are related to ttt which he can't comment on because he's banned?

Nothing is stopping him from interacting on the forums, otherwise he wouldn't had been able to make this thread in the first place, his whole engagement has been only the previous appeal and that's it

Why would he engage in anything other than his appeal if his response to anything wouldn't be relevant? The main subject on the forums is recent ttt information like staff applications, reporting incidents, and the occasional shitpost. How would interacting under any of these posts benefit anyone if he's been banned from that server for more than half a year

[Cimag]

+-0 I don't think his behavior will have changed at all but I don't understand how is he suppose to show any change if he is banned. There's nothing new he can say at this point. Considering he was banned of a threshold and If we leave the unexpired warns he has then if he acts up again it should be a quick ban either way.

I mean, he is not banned in discord, Prophunt, the forums or murder. Nothing is stopping him frim showing any change.

So if caribou were to post in unrelated topics to his ban, it would show he changed? Why would he post anything in prophunt or murder if he's banned on ttt, especially the forums when half the forums are related to ttt which he can't comment on because he's banned?

Nothing is stopping him from interacting on the forums, otherwise he wouldn't had been able to make this thread in the first place, his whole engagement has been only the previous appeal and that's it

Why would he engage in anything other than his appeal if his response to anything wouldn't be relevant? The main subject on the forums is recent ttt information like staff applications, reporting incidents, and the occasional shitpost. How would interacting under any of these posts benefit anyone if he's been banned from that server for more than half a year

The feedback he was given on the last appeal offer him the alternative to engage in the community or with people before making the next appeal, the intention of said feedback was not to benefit the community itself but rather benefit him and said credibility, if he was given that opportunity why wouldn't he partake on it and just go straight to the appeal again without adding anything relevant?

[frost]

I mean, he is not banned in discord, Prophunt, the forums or murder. Nothing is stopping him frim showing any change.

So if caribou were to post in unrelated topics to his ban, it would show he changed? Why would he post anything in prophunt or murder if he's banned on ttt, especially the forums when half the forums are related to ttt which he can't comment on because he's banned?

Nothing is stopping him from interacting on the forums, otherwise he wouldn't had been able to make this thread in the first place, his whole engagement has been only the previous appeal and that's it

Why would he engage in anything other than his appeal if his response to anything wouldn't be relevant? The main subject on the forums is recent ttt information like staff applications, reporting incidents, and the occasional shitpost. How would interacting under any of these posts benefit anyone if he's been banned from that server for more than half a year

The feedback he was given on the last appeal offer him the alternative to engage in the community or with people before making the next appeal, the intention of said feedback was not to benefit the community itself but rather benefit him and said credibility, if he was given that opportunity why wouldn't he partake on it and just go straight to the appeal again without adding anything relevant?

How is he supposed to engage in the community if he's limited to situations where he would feel compelled to speak up? If you read under this post, you'll see nothing but people talking about interactions with caribou with little to no respect for him changing. Their only argument is "I played with this guy, and I don't want to play with him". You expect someone to interact with people who lack interest, bring comfort, or trust anything he says? It's not a lack of opportunity; it's a lack of people wanting to interact with someone who has had months to change who they are.

[JesseTheUndeadCowboy]

Inactive as fuck but just wanted to say why not just unban caribou then if he fucks up again ban him with no chance of appeal, otherwise I dont know why yall continue letting caribou make ban appeals if yall dont have any attention of him being unbanned ever.

[Cimag]

So if caribou were to post in unrelated topics to his ban, it would show he changed? Why would he post anything in prophunt or murder if he's banned on ttt, especially the forums when half the forums are related to ttt which he can't comment on because he's banned?

Nothing is stopping him from interacting on the forums, otherwise he wouldn't had been able to make this thread in the first place, his whole engagement has been only the previous appeal and that's it

Why would he engage in anything other than his appeal if his response to anything wouldn't be relevant? The main subject on the forums is recent ttt information like staff applications, reporting incidents, and the occasional shitpost. How would interacting under any of these posts benefit anyone if he's been banned from that server for more than half a year

The feedback he was given on the last appeal offer him the alternative to engage in the community or with people before making the next appeal, the intention of said feedback was not to benefit the community itself but rather benefit him and said credibility, if he was given that opportunity why wouldn't he partake on it and just go straight to the appeal again without adding anything relevant?

How is he supposed to engage in the community if he's limited to situations where he would feel compelled to speak up? If you read under this post, you'll see nothing but people talking about interactions with caribou with little to no respect for him changing. Their only argument is "I played with this guy, and I don't want to play with him". You expect someone to interact with people who lack interest, bring comfort, or trust anything he says? It's not a lack of opportunity; it's a lack of people wanting to interact with someone who has had months to change who they are.

Is almost as if, that lack of comfort and trust was a byproduct of a repeated pattern of behavior that got him banned not once but trice, and in the same topic, how are people expected to just "let it go" and allow a player that harrass them and show little to no respect multiple times? You expect people just to suck it up ? It is a lack people wanting to interact with someone who has had multiple (not just once) opportunities to change who they are just to repeat the same behavior

[frost]

Nothing is stopping him from interacting on the forums, otherwise he wouldn't had been able to make this thread in the first place, his whole engagement has been only the previous appeal and that's it

Why would he engage in anything other than his appeal if his response to anything wouldn't be relevant? The main subject on the forums is recent ttt information like staff applications, reporting incidents, and the occasional shitpost. How would interacting under any of these posts benefit anyone if he's been banned from that server for more than half a year

The feedback he was given on the last appeal offer him the alternative to engage in the community or with people before making the next appeal, the intention of said feedback was not to benefit the community itself but rather benefit him and said credibility, if he was given that opportunity why wouldn't he partake on it and just go straight to the appeal again without adding anything relevant?

How is he supposed to engage in the community if he's limited to situations where he would feel compelled to speak up? If you read under this post, you'll see nothing but people talking about interactions with caribou with little to no respect for him changing. Their only argument is "I played with this guy, and I don't want to play with him". You expect someone to interact with people who lack interest, bring comfort, or trust anything he says? It's not a lack of opportunity; it's a lack of people wanting to interact with someone who has had months to change who they are.

Is almost as if, that lack of comfort and trust was a byproduct of a repeated pattern of behavior that got him banned not once but trice, and in the same topic, how are people expected to just "let it go" and allow a player that harrass them and show little to no respect multiple times? You expect people just to suck it up ? It is a lack people wanting to interact with someone who has had multiple (not just once) opportunities to change who they are just to repeat the same behavior

So then how would you expect him to engage in the feedback if nobody will accept that he changes. You're essentially giving him an impossible task and the only way he would be able to interact with anyone is if they talk to him first. It wouldn't be fair to ask him to put himself in an uncomfortable situation for the sake of reconciliation.  Caribou has taken accountability and apologized to multiple people in his past appeals, there's not much more he can do if you're just going to tell him to interact with people that want nothing to do with him.

[Cimag]

Why would he engage in anything other than his appeal if his response to anything wouldn't be relevant? The main subject on the forums is recent ttt information like staff applications, reporting incidents, and the occasional shitpost. How would interacting under any of these posts benefit anyone if he's been banned from that server for more than half a year

The feedback he was given on the last appeal offer him the alternative to engage in the community or with people before making the next appeal, the intention of said feedback was not to benefit the community itself but rather benefit him and said credibility, if he was given that opportunity why wouldn't he partake on it and just go straight to the appeal again without adding anything relevant?

How is he supposed to engage in the community if he's limited to situations where he would feel compelled to speak up? If you read under this post, you'll see nothing but people talking about interactions with caribou with little to no respect for him changing. Their only argument is "I played with this guy, and I don't want to play with him". You expect someone to interact with people who lack interest, bring comfort, or trust anything he says? It's not a lack of opportunity; it's a lack of people wanting to interact with someone who has had months to change who they are.

Is almost as if, that lack of comfort and trust was a byproduct of a repeated pattern of behavior that got him banned not once but trice, and in the same topic, how are people expected to just "let it go" and allow a player that harrass them and show little to no respect multiple times? You expect people just to suck it up ? It is a lack people wanting to interact with someone who has had multiple (not just once) opportunities to change who they are just to repeat the same behavior

So then how would you expect him to engage in the feedback if nobody will accept that he changes. You're essentially giving him an impossible task and the only way he would be able to interact with anyone is if they talk to him first. It wouldn't be fair to ask him to put himself in an uncomfortable situation for the sake of reconciliation.  Caribou has taken accountability and apologized to multiple people in his past appeals, there's not much more he can do if you're just going to tell him to interact with people that want nothing to do with him.

How would you expect him to get unbanned if all the engagement and positive interactions he has are from his circle of friends, the whole point of him changing and making the appeal is showing he can engage or at least try to engage (making an appeal IS NOT engaging) with the people that are not fond of him, if its impossible to him to behave like a normal human being without harrasment or passive aggressive comments that's a (him) issue and not a community issue, the opportunity to engage is there, if he doesn't take it because he feels he's "compelled to" that's again a (him) issue, how are people to believe he's "changed" if all that there is to the table is:
1. I'm his friend and I'm okay, therefore he's okay 
2.Hes says he's sorry^3
3.Other people did worse 

The same exact arguments from the previous appeal with little to not evidence shown that he received and practiced the feedback he was given