[Jammin]

Caribou has paid the price for his sins.
It's been 10 months.
I'm dead as hell.
Fuck cocaine lobster.
+1

[CrAcKbOnE]

Ya'll realise that both prophunt and murder have been dead for ages?

[FallenDevil]

If he hasn't reached out to the community via forums or Discord, the last thing we're going to remember is his toxicity. It also doesn't give us an opportunity to see any growth, besides doing an unban and see if he's living up to his word (which history shows he doesn't). 

What has stopped you from reaching out to the people you have attacked and flamed though? I know you never apologized for being rude and mean to me. I thought highly of you when I first joined the server over a year ago, but after your continual toxic behavior, you became someone I no longer wanted to interact with.

[fanta]

I personally feel its right to point out the only times he interacted on the server at all when he was unbanned was literally when je was harassing people or flaming our staff, otherwise he would just play silently, at least that was my expense on the server.

If he just played silently then what's the issue?

I don't interact with anyone outside of the server due to the weird personalities and CONSTANT DRAMA  . It's not necessarily a bad thing for someone to stay quiet, a lot of you (I hope) are extremely young and act like this game is the end all be all of life and it's not. I do agree with someone when they said if you guys are just going to keep your mind made up on the same decision without being reasonable, why don't you ban him permanently from the forums since it's clear you guys are not open to letting him back in no matter what he does.


Another edit: He just wants to play with his friends, so why can't you guys look at another option in regarding to perma gagging or muting him for a extended period of time?

[chibill]

I personally feel its right to point out the only times he interacted on the server at all when he was unbanned was literally when je was harassing people or flaming our staff, otherwise he would just play silently, at least that was my expense on the server.

If he just played silently then what's the issue?

I don't interact with anyone outside of the server due to the weird personalities and CONSTANT DRAMA  . It's not necessarily a bad thing for someone to stay quiet, a lot of you (I hope) are extremely young and act like this game is the end all be all of life and it's not. I do agree with someone when they said if you guys are just going to keep your mind made up on the same decision without being reasonable, why don't you ban him permanently from the forums since it's clear you guys are not open to letting him back in no matter what he does.


Another edit: He just wants to play with his friends, so why can't you guys look at another option in regarding to perma gagging or muting him for a extended period of time?

Because perma gagging and muting does not block DMs or staff chat where the flaming occured the ended up with his last warn. 

I dont know why people think staff should just sit back and take it while they are being harassed.

[murl]

Preface

I have made countless friends through this community, but I can't say I "belong" to any specific "clique". I hang out with a lot of you outside of this server, and that includes caribou. Honestly though, I think the last time I played a game with him regularly was 6-7 months ago, but we do still stay in touch. Like some of you, Caribou and I had beef in the past which has included months of no contact, but we always end up having a private conversation and talk things out. 

If you think I'm biased, so be it, but you can view my post history to see that I'm always advocating to get regulars unbanned for reasons outside of hacking if they've shown interest in coming back and improving. I'm always in favor of giving people a chance, and like in this case, sometimes multiple.


"Sweats" vs "I'm here to be social" problem on TTT

I've been playing TTT on and off for like, 10+ years, and this has always been somewhat of an issue no matter what server you're on. There are players that want to get headshots and win, and there are players that want to sit in a circle holstered talking about random shit. Neither of these are a problem until players start developing a mindset that the other side is playing wrong or ruining the server.

More so, it becomes problematic when the "I'm here to be social" players have this unrealistic expectation that every player should be low skill or take their time playing the game so people can play at their own pace. Whether it's malice directed at stoked, frost, caribou, fridge, caddy, fanta, etc., I've noticed an excessive amount of complaining in game that comes from regulars towards these high-skill players when they're simply playing the game. After a while, of course they're going to retaliate, and I think staff reaction to this is a bit biased as I've witnessed this "anti-sweat" sentiment among trusted, mods, and admins. Admittedly, I get dumpstered on by these mentioned players all the time, and while I might have temporary gripes, I don't hold long-term grudges against them, nor do I provoke them in DMs. Accepting fair defeat is a life skill that not many of the "anti-sweats" seem to have.

It's also problematic when this "I'm here to be social" group presumes everyone to be responsive and friendly towards them in game. It's kind of an unfair precedent to set if you're also shitting on players for being skilled. I've noticed players hold a grudge against caribou simply for him not acknowledging them. Nobody owes you their attention or validation in game, and if you use any online space with strangers for that, you're setting yourself up for failure. Most of the time, I'm all for being social and positive towards people in game, but this saccrine positivity aka everyone has to be wholesome all the time mindset is awful and never gives people space to air their grievances with each other.

I know this seems potentially off-topic, but I think it's important as it's often the root of conflict between caribou and other players.


Harassment is bad, but punishment was served

I've seen some of the examples, I agree that some of the comments were uncalled for. However, I think the lengthy time already served is appropriate. 

I know from past conversations that caribou has been through a lot the past two years (losing a life-long pet, moving across the world, other things too private to share) and has certainly taken his stress out on the wrong people, but I don't believe he's done anything so severe he should be prevented from playing indefinitely. As previously mentioned, I participate in a few communities he's in and I've noticed big improvements with how he interacts with others.

Additionally, while a couple of the grudges are understandable, some of them are more along the lines of "you had it coming". Not naming anyone specifically, but you can't be upset at someone calling you fat if you're body shaming people a week later over voice chat. You can control being fat, but you can't control the features you were shaming people for. This is disgusting, perma-victim behavior, and I've seen a lot of that on the forums and on discord regarding this appeal.


Side advice

This advice applies to everyone in this community, including Caribou. If someone is bothering you in game over chat, voicechat, discord, etc, remember, muting and blocking exists. Keep in mind that everyone you are interacting with in-game is human, all with their own life experiences, stress, and problems. You don't know if someone is really struggling or dealing with a mental crisis, so if you're truly going at it with someone in a combative manner, just drop the conversation and mute. It isn't worth it.

[PandaInPants]

Harassment is bad, but punishment was served

I've seen some of the examples, I agree that some of the comments were uncalled for. However, I think the lengthy time already served is appropriate. 

I know from past conversations that caribou has been through a lot the past two years (losing a life-long pet, moving across the world, other things too private to share) and has certainly taken his stress out on the wrong people, but I don't believe he's done anything so severe he should be prevented from playing indefinitely. As previously mentioned, I participate in a few communities he's in and I've noticed big improvements with how he interacts with others.

Additionally, while a couple of the grudges are understandable, some of them are more along the lines of "you had it coming". Not naming anyone specifically, but you can't be upset at someone calling you fat if you're body shaming people a week later over voice chat. You can control being fat, but you can't control the features you were shaming people for. This is disgusting, perma-victim behavior, and I've seen a lot of that on the forums and on discord regarding this appeal.

A lot of what you say sounds like it’s other people’s fault for caribous actions especially this section because you use his personal life as excuses for bad behavior which sounds like you want to say anyone who has a rough life should be allowed to be bad to others. This can also invalidate the whole idea that caribou has changed because if  he only lashed out because “he had a rough time” then he will do it again. Your point may be that people need to be better about how they treat one another and that is true but it’s also not the fault of others if people only speak up in random ban appeals or by lashing out. On both sides of sweat or non sweat it's not a good sign that you can’t play a shite game like ttt without lashing out at someone.

[caribou]

I wasn't aware of the details of the warn before nor was it ever explained to me. I remember the incident and have some screenshots.

I killed a player who was mass rdming and he reported me and told me to kms. The Chuckster proceeded to handle that report and give me a slay, which I spoke out against, saying: "asab, typical dtmod"

After getting the slay removed, The Chuckster private messaged me twice, the first time I ignored and the second I told them off, telling them to get off their high horse.





Given that this was the warn that put me over the threshold, I don't think it's severe enough to warrant a longer ban than I've already served

[HONG]

Harassment is bad, but punishment was served

I've seen some of the examples, I agree that some of the comments were uncalled for. However, I think the lengthy time already served is appropriate. 

I know from past conversations that caribou has been through a lot the past two years (losing a life-long pet, moving across the world, other things too private to share) and has certainly taken his stress out on the wrong people, but I don't believe he's done anything so severe he should be prevented from playing indefinitely. As previously mentioned, I participate in a few communities he's in and I've noticed big improvements with how he interacts with others.

Additionally, while a couple of the grudges are understandable, some of them are more along the lines of "you had it coming". Not naming anyone specifically, but you can't be upset at someone calling you fat if you're body shaming people a week later over voice chat. You can control being fat, but you can't control the features you were shaming people for. This is disgusting, perma-victim behavior, and I've seen a lot of that on the forums and on discord regarding this appeal.

A lot of what you say sounds like it’s other people’s fault for caribous actions especially this section because you use his personal life as excuses for bad behavior which sounds like you want to say anyone who has a rough life should be allowed to be bad to others.

i dont think thats what murls post nor the section that was entitled "Harassment is bad, but punishment was served" was trying to say at all

[Cryptic Salsa]

I wasn't aware of the details of the warn before nor was it ever explained to me. I remember the incident and have some screenshots.

I killed a player who was mass rdming and he reported me and told me to kms. The Chuckster proceeded to handle that report and give me a slay, which I spoke out against, saying: "asab, typical dtmod"

After getting the slay removed, The Chuckster private messaged me twice, the first time I ignored and the second I told them off, telling them to get off their high horse.





Given that this was the warn that put me over the threshold, I don't think it's severe enough to warrant a longer ban than I've already served

right so they apologize and you tell them to "get off their high horse" yup makes alot of sense
i do like that you didn't actually show what you said only summarized just goes to show what kind of person you are.
im a very bias -1 (like i always have been) you dont change we have given you enough chances you're a dick