[chibill]

Just a heads up, this is the same warn that murl, caribou and other have. At one point they had the server down to less then 2 update ticks per second accorsing to net_graph 1.

Was to where the nornal game was unplayable,and occured over multiple rounds.

See https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...?tid=20085 for a bit more info, and look at conclusion post for our last stance on this topic when it came up.

[chapman]

Seems to be a clear verdict here; time has passed, and it should be removed.

[茶 Tea]

Just a heads up, this is the same warn that murl, caribou and other have.  At one point they had the server down to less then 2 update ticks per second accorsing to net_graph 1.

Was to where the nornal game was unplayable,and occured over multiple rounds.

See https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...?tid=20085 for a bit more info, and look at conclusion post for our last stance on this topic when it came up.

this community takes minor rule infractions way too seriously. we talk about one rdm or a 10-minute server lag or whatever like how the news was talking about tiger woods cheating on his wife. like chill out it's not that deep. i can't imagine dinkleberg makes so much money from this place that a single server restart is gonna wreck his margins anyway

[anxelic]

+1 Free my man, it has been a minute, and they have had no behavioral issues since I have been playing with them.

[Love4puppys]

+1 for a long time community member and positive presence on the server. 
I think assessing a person's regularly observed actions and patterns of behavior should be one of the largest parts in deciding whether or not something should become a part of a their permanent record, plus weighing the necessity and/or benefit of keeping that specific player on a shorter leash and under that microscope. Personally having spent a lot of time playing on the server with frost myself I don't see and haven't seen anything that supports maintaining the burden of the warn points indefinitely, especially given the length of time since the points were issued. Free the homie frfr ??

[fanta]

Dear Esteemed Staff,

I write to you in representation of my client, Frost, regarding the permanent warning issued for “lagging the server.” After careful review of the incident and Frost’s behavioral history, we respectfully request the removal or reconsideration of this permanent mark.

1. Lack of Malicious Intent

At no point did Frost act with the intention to degrade server performance or disrupt player experience. The lag incident in question appears to stem from unintentional client-side or technical issues — not from any exploitative or malicious behavior. There is a substantial difference between malice and misfortune, and Frost’s situation falls squarely into the latter.

2. First-Time Occurrence and Cooperation

Frost has maintained a clean record prior to this incident, demonstrating consistent respect for server rules and community expectations. When the issue occurred, Frost did not deny responsibility but instead cooperated fully with staff. This level of accountability speaks volumes about his integrity and willingness to improve.

3. Precedents and Proportionality

While server performance is a serious concern, the application of a permanent warning for a single, likely accidental lag spike may not reflect proportional disciplinary action. We respectfully urge the team to consider whether a temporary warning or probationary monitoring period would be more just and constructive.

4. Preventive Measures Taken

Since the incident, Frost has already taken steps to rectify any contributing technical factors — including network diagnostics, system clean-up, and performance optimization. This proactive behavior reinforces that Frost takes the server’s integrity seriously.

⸻

Conclusion

We fully support this community’s mission to maintain a high-quality gameplay experience. However, fairness, context, and player reform are equally important pillars. We therefore request that Frost’s permanent warning be lifted or reduced in severity, and that he be given a chance to rejoin the community without the stigma of a permanent mark.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,
fanta “Defense” god
Representative of Frost
TTT Defense Counsel

[Dinomoto]

Just a heads up, this is the same warn that murl, caribou and other have.  At one point they had the server down to less then 2 update ticks per second accorsing to net_graph 1.

Was to where the nornal game was unplayable,and occured over multiple rounds.

See https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...?tid=20085 for a bit more info, and look at conclusion post for our last stance on this topic when it came up.

this community takes minor rule infractions way too seriously. we talk about one rdm or a 10-minute server lag or whatever like how the news was talking about tiger woods cheating on his wife. like chill out it's not that deep. i can't imagine dinkleberg makes so much money from this place that a single server restart is gonna wreck his margins anyway

Look the dumb as Hell stuff about lagging the server is not a minor offence, but it has been over a year, so an unwarn is warranted +1

[Im A Bald Eagle]

Dear Esteemed Staff,

I write to you in representation of my client, Frost, regarding the permanent warning issued for “lagging the server.” After careful review of the incident and Frost’s behavioral history, we respectfully request the removal or reconsideration of this permanent mark.

1. Lack of Malicious Intent

At no point did Frost act with the intention to degrade server performance or disrupt player experience. The lag incident in question appears to stem from unintentional client-side or technical issues — not from any exploitative or malicious behavior. There is a substantial difference between malice and misfortune, and Frost’s situation falls squarely into the latter.

2. First-Time Occurrence and Cooperation

Frost has maintained a clean record prior to this incident, demonstrating consistent respect for server rules and community expectations. When the issue occurred, Frost did not deny responsibility but instead cooperated fully with staff. This level of accountability speaks volumes about his integrity and willingness to improve.

3. Precedents and Proportionality

While server performance is a serious concern, the application of a permanent warning for a single, likely accidental lag spike may not reflect proportional disciplinary action. We respectfully urge the team to consider whether a temporary warning or probationary monitoring period would be more just and constructive.

4. Preventive Measures Taken

Since the incident, Frost has already taken steps to rectify any contributing technical factors — including network diagnostics, system clean-up, and performance optimization. This proactive behavior reinforces that Frost takes the server’s integrity seriously.

⸻

Conclusion

We fully support this community’s mission to maintain a high-quality gameplay experience. However, fairness, context, and player reform are equally important pillars. We therefore request that Frost’s permanent warning be lifted or reduced in severity, and that he be given a chance to rejoin the community without the stigma of a permanent mark.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,
fanta “Defense” god
Representative of Frost
TTT Defense Counsel

dude this is the most r-worded post i have eevr seen !!!!!!!! +1 unban ! or something whatever dude

[Rox5tar01]

Kinda split on this.

On one hand, Frost isn't exactly someone I would really paint as a trouble maker. They have (mostly, with a few rare exceptions) been keeping their nose clean since this warn was given.

At the same time, the actions here were done maliciously. Those who were participating (Frost, along with 5 others) were actively making the server lag. This type of behavior can cause crashes, and just overall makes the server unplayable for those trying to actually play the game. This appeal isn't trying to claim that the warn is unjust, but rather is attempting to seek amnesty due to time and good behavior. I personally don't believe that warns should be removed, regardless of good behavior or other external factors (except in some VERY VERY specific scenarios, this not being one of them), unless there is something inherently wrong with how the warn was applied (such as it being an unjust warn, or an incorrect warn). I think the way to deal with warns that produces the least amount of bias is to handle each warn in a vacuum, and examine the scenario itself rather than the individual person, unless the appeal is regarding their overall behavior as a whole (think a warn-threshold appeal). Essentially, my viewpoint is that if Warns naturally fall off with time, so that essentially acts as the warn "amnesty".

This logic is a bit different with 10/12 point warns, since they don't expire with time. The point of the lack of expiration is to stress the weight these types of warns carry (Server crashing crap, Sexual/Non-Sexual Harassment, Minge, etc.). Frost is with certainty guilty of the warn. However, while I'm not necessarily 100% opposed to supporting an appeal for this, if it does I think it opens up some other questions:
- What's the point of a warn without an expiration if they can just be appealed and removed down the line?
- Should the others involved (the aforementioned Caribou, Murl and 3 others) be forgiven as well, or is this just a super special exception for Frost?
- Should we allow other Non-Expiration warns (Sexual/Non-Sexual Harassment, Minge, etc.) to be removed for amnesty reasons?
As I've said previously, I'm not 100% against this warn. However, I think it goes against the purpose of the "Non-Expiration" warn and, should this warn be appealed, I think it would be wise to possibly revisit how we handle "Non-Expiration" warns as a community in the future.

+0. Guilty of the warn, and the purpose of the "No Expiration" is so that it doesn't fall off with time (meaning that forgiving a warn would go against this). Still though, I think if a permanent ban doesn't mean permanent, I don't see why (with changes to the rules themselves, I don't think singular exceptions are the best way to handle this) a No Expiration can't be forgiven either.

[tiefling lesbian]

This appeal has been accepted

To address the above questions, warns without expirations are indefinite, not permanent, and have always been appealable. The point isn't for them to never go to away, but to require manual appeal. Time and behavior since the offense are the biggest factors in such an appeal, so each one is handled individually and is up to the warned player to seek the appeal.