04-29-2024, 01:54 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-29-2024, 04:11 AM by tiefling lesbian. Edited 6 times in total.)
Going to use screenshots to reply, since you've disabled the ability to copy text from the doc for some reason?
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I love that you've started out with this, because it perfectly exemplifies how poorly founded and wildly uninformed these arguments are (at best, intentionally disingenuous at worst). First off, I didn't mistakenly change the edit perms to the guidelines, Bryan did. Second, the first thing I did when I found out was revert the changes and change the link to a copy with the correct perms and asked Bryan about it. After making sure everything was in order, yes, I investigated who was behind it, are you arguing that admins shouldn't look into a group of people vandalizing the guidelines? It didn't take much "digging", it took 2 seconds to see that there were 5 people in vc in your server and 5 people looking at the guidelines. And this is me "throwing guilt" (one person approaching me about it and me asking the active staff member to report it next time).
![[Image: AVANRgA.png]](https://i.imgur.com/AVANRgA.png)
I was invited to dong's server by jack after I asked a couple friends if they were in vc while they were in dong's server. It's not my fault that so much rule breaking happens in there, and I'm sorry for having the gall to not simply ignore it happening so blatantly. It's also funny how confidently you say you're "sure there are multiple cases", considering it's the only outside server I've joined that isn't run by friends. I'm also curious who I've "harassed and bullied"??
![[Image: oHuDZNL.png]](https://i.imgur.com/oHuDZNL.png)
The "two" accounts you're referring to are the same account. You made an alt with the purposes of presenting as a grasse alt, multiple circumstances supported it appearing as a grasse alt, and someone from your group told me it was a grasse alt of their own volition. It's weird that you think private servers can't be used as evidence, but think they should be used to personally ask for unbans to circumvent the regular appeal procedure. I had no confirmation that it was your account other than you claiming so, and funnily enough, it DIDN'T show up as your account in DAC after it was unbanned. Also, all of this was only discussed in staff chat, so thank you for admitting to leaking.
![[Image: C6RC6ZJ.png]](https://i.imgur.com/C6RC6ZJ.png)
![[Image: TvfN27a.png]](https://i.imgur.com/TvfN27a.png)
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This is just straight up 100% a lie? I didn't reach out to anyone from your server after the ban except you and dong, which was only about the ban. That conversation with foxka is from THEM reaching out to ME to ask about my opinion on their potential staff application, which was not made yet at the time of that conversation as you claim. I never asked them nor anyone else to spy on your server, I said it was a bad look for potential staff to not mention rule breaking that they were directly informed about, and that reporting it would have been an easy way to build trust and show that they can be unbiased, which I stand by 100%. And as you can see from them getting staff, I do not have the power to single-handedly approve or deny someone's application in your absurd hypothetical negotiation. Me asking about salty's discord was for an entirely unrelated investigation into staff leaks (maybe not so unrelated after all it looks like), which you can see by the fact that it was over a month before the guidelines incident, and they weren't the only one I asked about it. It's also pretty funny that you included foxka initially lying about being told about the guidelines vandalism.
![[Image: nQ2d6BG.png]](https://i.imgur.com/nQ2d6BG.png)
As you can see in the screenshots, he apologized for the smurphy stuff, not for the slur. "Makes sense!" is, in fact, all he had to say on that matter.
![[Image: E61jTAW.png]](https://i.imgur.com/E61jTAW.png)
I haven't "leaked and harassed" anyone from your server. As for the screenshot, your summary is in fact the opposite of what I was saying. I have said from the beginning that the reason specifics can't be given out is because it would betray the anonymity afforded to victims and open them to potential backlash. This was proven correct when information about the victims was leaked and someone was harassed as a result, which is what I was referring to.
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This is, as you say, baseless hearsay utterly devoid of evidence.
![[Image: iE5pTe1.png]](https://i.imgur.com/iE5pTe1.png)
So, first off, cozy cafe isn't my server? I don't even have any perms there. Secondly, and more importantly, after all your accusations of leaking and spying, your big piece of "evidence" is... you asking someone to leak a private discord in which women vent to each other about their frustrations with, primarily, misogyny in and out of the community? Like, surely you realize that you just admitted to literally doing the exact thing you're accusing me of, right? You even allude to other people you and dong have spying in there in your conversation.
![[Image: dS3nngm.png]](https://i.imgur.com/dS3nngm.png)
I love that you've started out with this, because it perfectly exemplifies how poorly founded and wildly uninformed these arguments are (at best, intentionally disingenuous at worst). First off, I didn't mistakenly change the edit perms to the guidelines, Bryan did. Second, the first thing I did when I found out was revert the changes and change the link to a copy with the correct perms and asked Bryan about it. After making sure everything was in order, yes, I investigated who was behind it, are you arguing that admins shouldn't look into a group of people vandalizing the guidelines? It didn't take much "digging", it took 2 seconds to see that there were 5 people in vc in your server and 5 people looking at the guidelines. And this is me "throwing guilt" (one person approaching me about it and me asking the active staff member to report it next time).
![[Image: AVANRgA.png]](https://i.imgur.com/AVANRgA.png)
I was invited to dong's server by jack after I asked a couple friends if they were in vc while they were in dong's server. It's not my fault that so much rule breaking happens in there, and I'm sorry for having the gall to not simply ignore it happening so blatantly. It's also funny how confidently you say you're "sure there are multiple cases", considering it's the only outside server I've joined that isn't run by friends. I'm also curious who I've "harassed and bullied"??
![[Image: oHuDZNL.png]](https://i.imgur.com/oHuDZNL.png)
The "two" accounts you're referring to are the same account. You made an alt with the purposes of presenting as a grasse alt, multiple circumstances supported it appearing as a grasse alt, and someone from your group told me it was a grasse alt of their own volition. It's weird that you think private servers can't be used as evidence, but think they should be used to personally ask for unbans to circumvent the regular appeal procedure. I had no confirmation that it was your account other than you claiming so, and funnily enough, it DIDN'T show up as your account in DAC after it was unbanned. Also, all of this was only discussed in staff chat, so thank you for admitting to leaking.
![[Image: C6RC6ZJ.png]](https://i.imgur.com/C6RC6ZJ.png)
![[Image: TvfN27a.png]](https://i.imgur.com/TvfN27a.png)
![[Image: US4GV1o.png]](https://i.imgur.com/US4GV1o.png)
This is just straight up 100% a lie? I didn't reach out to anyone from your server after the ban except you and dong, which was only about the ban. That conversation with foxka is from THEM reaching out to ME to ask about my opinion on their potential staff application, which was not made yet at the time of that conversation as you claim. I never asked them nor anyone else to spy on your server, I said it was a bad look for potential staff to not mention rule breaking that they were directly informed about, and that reporting it would have been an easy way to build trust and show that they can be unbiased, which I stand by 100%. And as you can see from them getting staff, I do not have the power to single-handedly approve or deny someone's application in your absurd hypothetical negotiation. Me asking about salty's discord was for an entirely unrelated investigation into staff leaks (maybe not so unrelated after all it looks like), which you can see by the fact that it was over a month before the guidelines incident, and they weren't the only one I asked about it. It's also pretty funny that you included foxka initially lying about being told about the guidelines vandalism.
![[Image: nQ2d6BG.png]](https://i.imgur.com/nQ2d6BG.png)
As you can see in the screenshots, he apologized for the smurphy stuff, not for the slur. "Makes sense!" is, in fact, all he had to say on that matter.
![[Image: E61jTAW.png]](https://i.imgur.com/E61jTAW.png)
I haven't "leaked and harassed" anyone from your server. As for the screenshot, your summary is in fact the opposite of what I was saying. I have said from the beginning that the reason specifics can't be given out is because it would betray the anonymity afforded to victims and open them to potential backlash. This was proven correct when information about the victims was leaked and someone was harassed as a result, which is what I was referring to.
![[Image: JqpbtPZ.png]](https://i.imgur.com/JqpbtPZ.png)
This is, as you say, baseless hearsay utterly devoid of evidence.
![[Image: iE5pTe1.png]](https://i.imgur.com/iE5pTe1.png)
So, first off, cozy cafe isn't my server? I don't even have any perms there. Secondly, and more importantly, after all your accusations of leaking and spying, your big piece of "evidence" is... you asking someone to leak a private discord in which women vent to each other about their frustrations with, primarily, misogyny in and out of the community? Like, surely you realize that you just admitted to literally doing the exact thing you're accusing me of, right? You even allude to other people you and dong have spying in there in your conversation.
