04-29-2024, 08:59 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-29-2024, 10:24 AM by Dildo Shwaggins. Edited 2 times in total.)
Reading the responses and sleeping on the document, I have some more brief but big-picture issues that I think led to a lot of the recent fiasco.
1. Chris Farley said it pretty well- lack of trust in the administration is the core of the issue. And I think one of the lack of trust’s largest factor is the overreach. The messages to several community members of “hey are you in this discord” for example are stepping too far. Also in tiefling’s response, correct me if I’m wrong on reading this, but it seems like the part of “ignoring rule violations” is overstepping as well if if it’s giving the implication of applying Dink’s rules to servers that are not under Dink’s administration purview. That’s not to say if for example someone is actively being stalked or harassed in Dink’s and is getting followed or also harassed in another space that relevant evidence can’t come from that if the victim or a concerned netizen comes forward, but actively patrolling and applying Dink’s rules to outside servers is overreach that should be curtailed.
2. A bit adjacent to that, the recent server culture has been to backhandedly gather “dirt” on community members by “leaks” and the like. By making so many interactions and things so public, it’s inevitable that people are going to see shit talked about them on all sides and it will be impossible in the “mutual” space- the forums, main discord, etc it makes it damn near impossible to be civil when you saw that same person saying something behind their back. And this is something that’s really hard if not impossible to remedy in an online space with relative anonymity. Personally? I think “let people talk their shit in their own spaces, but be civil in mutual spaces” has been the MO of the whole server for a while and has kept things civil, in a way. When someone goes too far, it should be handled of course. But the culture has shifted towards everything being “open” to the point of if you wanted to find dirt on anyone, you can find it if you search hard enough.
3. Clearer guidelines for “poaching” are needed. Regardless of who cares or doesn’t care beyond Dink himself, it should be something clarified in staff guidelines as to whether it’s acceptable at all, for certain levels of staff, etc
4. The edit of what I was thinking of- the division in the community overall. There is an overarching feel of Dink’s now being two separate communities at odds with each other and slinging shit back and forth with major allegations that are difficult to verify without either exposing someone to the risk of retaliation or are baseless as they lacked or misconstrued context. And that division has kinda been happening for a few years in this community. That’s not to say having your own discords is a bad thing, having friends is okay. But many of the most active members of the community have definitely been more in their own spaces as opposed to doing things together as a community and as more people developed feuds or had different visions for the community, the split went further until things collapsed into a mess. Lemon’s thread was a good example of the level of division that this community is at, and it’s gotten ugly as to what lengths people will go and tactics they will use to try and forward their vision of the community. (Tl;Dr this place feels like the US Congress)
1. Chris Farley said it pretty well- lack of trust in the administration is the core of the issue. And I think one of the lack of trust’s largest factor is the overreach. The messages to several community members of “hey are you in this discord” for example are stepping too far. Also in tiefling’s response, correct me if I’m wrong on reading this, but it seems like the part of “ignoring rule violations” is overstepping as well if if it’s giving the implication of applying Dink’s rules to servers that are not under Dink’s administration purview. That’s not to say if for example someone is actively being stalked or harassed in Dink’s and is getting followed or also harassed in another space that relevant evidence can’t come from that if the victim or a concerned netizen comes forward, but actively patrolling and applying Dink’s rules to outside servers is overreach that should be curtailed.
2. A bit adjacent to that, the recent server culture has been to backhandedly gather “dirt” on community members by “leaks” and the like. By making so many interactions and things so public, it’s inevitable that people are going to see shit talked about them on all sides and it will be impossible in the “mutual” space- the forums, main discord, etc it makes it damn near impossible to be civil when you saw that same person saying something behind their back. And this is something that’s really hard if not impossible to remedy in an online space with relative anonymity. Personally? I think “let people talk their shit in their own spaces, but be civil in mutual spaces” has been the MO of the whole server for a while and has kept things civil, in a way. When someone goes too far, it should be handled of course. But the culture has shifted towards everything being “open” to the point of if you wanted to find dirt on anyone, you can find it if you search hard enough.
3. Clearer guidelines for “poaching” are needed. Regardless of who cares or doesn’t care beyond Dink himself, it should be something clarified in staff guidelines as to whether it’s acceptable at all, for certain levels of staff, etc
4. The edit of what I was thinking of- the division in the community overall. There is an overarching feel of Dink’s now being two separate communities at odds with each other and slinging shit back and forth with major allegations that are difficult to verify without either exposing someone to the risk of retaliation or are baseless as they lacked or misconstrued context. And that division has kinda been happening for a few years in this community. That’s not to say having your own discords is a bad thing, having friends is okay. But many of the most active members of the community have definitely been more in their own spaces as opposed to doing things together as a community and as more people developed feuds or had different visions for the community, the split went further until things collapsed into a mess. Lemon’s thread was a good example of the level of division that this community is at, and it’s gotten ugly as to what lengths people will go and tactics they will use to try and forward their vision of the community. (Tl;Dr this place feels like the US Congress)
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