04-30-2024, 01:06 PM
(04-29-2024, 10:33 PM)tiefling lesbian Wrote:(04-29-2024, 10:05 PM)Avi Wrote: Essentially the staff were unsure how a rule worked on server, Foxka (not staff at the time) was explaining the rule (which he was correct per the MOTD), and the staff went to Tiefling for guidance outside of the server. Tiefling incorrectly informed them of the rule and the situation was mishandled on server.Multiple staff were complaining to me that foxka was arguing with their ruling for 15-20 minutes. I told them what I've always said on this topic: I don't believe players should be expected to have telepathic abilities or have to believe everything someone says; part of social deduction games is the chance that you won't be believed. If you can negate DNA by just saying you were RDMed without the other person having seen it or any other way to confirm that, then there's nothing stopping traitors from just saying they were RDMed after every kill and validly reporting anyone who kills them off of DNA, making the entire mechanic a pointless RDM trap (not saying that's what foxka did, but that is what it would entail).
(04-29-2024, 10:05 PM)Avi Wrote: My main issue isn't this however, rather my experience playing with Tiefling on the server. I was gone from the community for a couple of years, so I really know nothing of Tiefling before coming back earlier this year. One of my first interactions with Tiefling felt off. It probably won't mean a lot to most, but it came off as uncomfortable to me when it happened.This was indeed a joke. You were the only other female TTT admin I knew about at the time (sorry hani) and I just thought it was a funny way to essentially say "hey look, we got another one on the board" in the moment. I took your silence as a sign that you weren't receptive to that kind of thing and refrained from joking like that afterwards. I apologize for conveying a different meaning than intended.
I was just playing TTT as it was, as a traitor, and killed Tiefling as an innocent. I immediately received this pm on server:
At this point I knew nothing about Tiefling, had only played on server a couple of times with her, and it came off more mad that I shot her than anything. I wouldn't think too much about it, but I've come to find out that others have felt the same way with comments like that on server (that's on them to share, I'm only going to share my experiences here).
There were other things I noticed, but I've discussed those with other admins, and if they think it's necessary, they can have a conversation about it.
With Foxka's situation, multiple people were able to confirm the person was rdming during the round, so it shouldn't have caused issue of if he was being honest or deceptive in the round. He should have been able to continue on during the round without being killed over DNA. I do agree though with your overall reasoning, people shouldn't be able to just claim RDM on every single kill they do (I vaguely remember someone trying this before while also false kosing people constantly, which they were told to stop doing). Also, if someone claims it's RDM in a report because they said the person was rdming, but that person wasn't rdming, then I don't think it's fair to punish anyone with a slay. I think the rule's interpretation could be reworked to prevent things like falsely claiming over and over that you're being "rdmed."
As for the joke thing, I appreciate you sharing your perspective on it and I can understand your point of view on it better now. Like I said at the time and up until now, it felt off to me, but I can see what your intentions were, so I have no bad thoughts or hard feelings on that.
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