03-29-2025, 09:42 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-29-2025, 09:49 PM by Succubus Widdy. Edited 2 times in total.)
Ultimately I was going to hold off on making another response but this where I am at.
A majority of the replies have pointed out just watching these videos alone isn't sufficient to press for a ban because:
A) Graphics tweaks that are specific to base Garry's mod can't be a reason to levy a ban. Frame locking to bunny hop for example is just using a game mechanic that players use to achieve specific movement so this shouldn't be any different. Plus also we can't forget there are people who play on cheap Acer, Dell, and HP laptops and don't have the horsepower to run this game at full graphics and trying to rule ban that would open the door for hardware based discrimination.
B) These videos that are posted could very likely just be the users pattern recognition. While I did see a handful of shots that raised my brow, there is also the fact that people who spend hours upon hours on the same maps can notice things like an extra vending machine or maybe 8 cigarette packs opposed to 7. People can study maps and take notes.
C) A majority of people so far have spoken bringing up a lot of these points. Being a good player doesn't exactly disqualify you from being able to play. A good example is I have a friend who got banned from Dinkleberg's a few years back because a moderator assumed he was cheating based off of how sharp his shot was in Terror Town. If bans are made based off of cheating accusations, either a screenshot relay or a first-person speciation screen capture should be used as a basis to gauge the legitimacy of the plays.
With that being said I am going to -1 this ban. I appreciate the effort into trying to insure that fair and balanced game-play is achieved on the PH server but I don't think carrying out this ban would be appropriate or morally justifiable given the community responses, counter points, and the evidence being trust me bro...
With that being said I also redact anything I had said before as my outlook has changed.
A majority of the replies have pointed out just watching these videos alone isn't sufficient to press for a ban because:
A) Graphics tweaks that are specific to base Garry's mod can't be a reason to levy a ban. Frame locking to bunny hop for example is just using a game mechanic that players use to achieve specific movement so this shouldn't be any different. Plus also we can't forget there are people who play on cheap Acer, Dell, and HP laptops and don't have the horsepower to run this game at full graphics and trying to rule ban that would open the door for hardware based discrimination.
B) These videos that are posted could very likely just be the users pattern recognition. While I did see a handful of shots that raised my brow, there is also the fact that people who spend hours upon hours on the same maps can notice things like an extra vending machine or maybe 8 cigarette packs opposed to 7. People can study maps and take notes.
C) A majority of people so far have spoken bringing up a lot of these points. Being a good player doesn't exactly disqualify you from being able to play. A good example is I have a friend who got banned from Dinkleberg's a few years back because a moderator assumed he was cheating based off of how sharp his shot was in Terror Town. If bans are made based off of cheating accusations, either a screenshot relay or a first-person speciation screen capture should be used as a basis to gauge the legitimacy of the plays.
With that being said I am going to -1 this ban. I appreciate the effort into trying to insure that fair and balanced game-play is achieved on the PH server but I don't think carrying out this ban would be appropriate or morally justifiable given the community responses, counter points, and the evidence being trust me bro...
With that being said I also redact anything I had said before as my outlook has changed.
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