10-16-2021, 11:11 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-16-2021, 11:34 AM by chelllman. Edited 2 times in total.)
Hi Todoroki,
Ryzif and Matt did mention that since you made an application, you deserve a serious answer besides "You don't have the requirements, therefore -1".
I'm crafting this response to be as constructive as possible, and I hope you see it as such (rather than a personal attack). You clearly do want to help out the server, and in the future you could eventually join the staff team. As always, everything I say here can be backed up with evidence. If you would like me to send you videos, I can certainly do that. There are some issues that you need to address:
1. Lack of forum knowledge: Ignoring your application for a moment, you posted a donor abuse thread in the PH ban requests without the proper format. I highly suggest you look at previous donor abuse/PH ban request threads to see how these requests are made. Simply saying you have evidence isn't enough; we would like you to upload your evidence so that everyone can see it. This is a simple fix. Just spend 20 minutes looking at various threads and boom, you understand the forums!
2. Donor command usage: I know for a fact that the donor guidelines have been sent directly to you at least once, and that you have been warned multiple times to read them. One of the most important things in those guidelines is that you must give staff time to respond to a problem before you take action (there are circumstances where you may act immediately of course). You have once tried to gag someone who only deserved a warning forcing me to immediately try to ungag them, and once gagged someone after I already gagged them. After the latter of these two incidents, you said that I was "too fast". If I wasn't that fast, then you would have overstepped because you would not have waited for staff to act. You have, on at least one instance (possibly more), kicked AFK people while staff are on. There are very clear guidelines for staff when we can do this, let alone donors.
Incident 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPGXxhMFIWU , timestamps 1-4 in the description
Incident 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8iB6BgQBiY , timestamps 2-3
2a. Donor command usage when staff are not on the server: I've gotten a number of complaints from various regulars (including staff from other servers) about your donor command usage, specifically when you gag/mute people. The general consensus is that you are far too strict with what constitutes micspam/chatspam. As a donor, you need to remember that if you choose to use your commands, you need to have the same level of justification that staff have for using their commands. Going through the PH relay, sometimes upwards of 50% of the text is just your binds! Try to watch how staff handle micspam/chatspam. Overt things like soundboards, racism, etc, we act immediately and issue warnings. Generally being loud, friendly banter? We try to steer the conversation in a different way. It's important to know the difference between these two situations.
2b. Donor command usage in general: This gets said a lot but I will reiterate it: donors are not staff. When trouble arises on the server, you may use your donor powers. However, you should also ping in the PH discord to see if staff are available to join and deal with the issue. You should always have justification for when you use your powers, and be able to explain this to staff when they ask.
3. Attitude: I have personally witnessed you get vocally frustrated multiple times on the server. It is fine to be frustrated, but only when it stays within the rules. Examples:
3a. We were on Cruce and you were a dead hunter. A prop came out, turned into a large object near a very new players. You spent about 30 seconds calling this player stupid for not seeing/shooting the prop near him. You were clearly frustrated at this player being new at the game. However, this kind of behavior should not (and will not) be acceptable as a staff member. New players bring new life to the game; we need to respect that they will need time to learn. Additionally, telling someone to kill a prop near when you're a dead hunter is a no-no, regardless of how obvious the prop might be. Additionally, you made fun of their screen name saying "they can't even come up with a normal name".
Incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8iB6BgQBiY , timestamp 1
3b. We were on Minimall and I was trying to catch a trio of ghosters. You ended up dying after you exploded an area, and began complaining that the explosion destroyed everything but the two props. You continued to ask why they were hiding in the same area, yada yada yada. I was trying to catch ghosters, but if I had been a hunter on your team, I would have immediately looked for either scortching from an explosive (which lasts quite a while) or looked for your body to get some easy kills. This is why I issued a ghosting warning in the chat at that time.
Incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfMHkudw09k , timestamp 1 (the rest of the timestamps are for the ghosters who got banned).
4. Arguing with staff: @augmENTreality2 has his own experience with you that he can talk about if he wants to. As for my experience, Koshka and I were on the map underwataa with you, and you were on Koshka's team. You were hiding in an illegal spot, were warned multiple times by Koshka and other regulars, and Koshka finally teleports you. Instead of accepting that you were in the wrong, you argued with me about the teleportation rule and about how you didn't see the warnings. One thing I will say is that staff have final say on the server. If we say your spot is illegal, then it's illegal for the time being. If the spot isn't in the !spots list, then it's illegal until higher staff can rule on the legality of the spot.
Incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPGXxhMFIWU , timestamp 39:05 and beyond.
This may seem like a lot, but all of this is fixable. Understand how the forums work, use your donor powers in a restrained manner, be quick to help new players and don't let your annoyance get the better of you, and always defer to staff when staff are on. If you have an issue with staff, then take it to the forums and don't argue with them on the server.
I have to give you a -1 on your application for now, but that may change in the future.
To anyone reading this, if you would like me to link the various youtube videos for the incidents mentioned above, please let me know.
Ryzif and Matt did mention that since you made an application, you deserve a serious answer besides "You don't have the requirements, therefore -1".
I'm crafting this response to be as constructive as possible, and I hope you see it as such (rather than a personal attack). You clearly do want to help out the server, and in the future you could eventually join the staff team. As always, everything I say here can be backed up with evidence. If you would like me to send you videos, I can certainly do that. There are some issues that you need to address:
1. Lack of forum knowledge: Ignoring your application for a moment, you posted a donor abuse thread in the PH ban requests without the proper format. I highly suggest you look at previous donor abuse/PH ban request threads to see how these requests are made. Simply saying you have evidence isn't enough; we would like you to upload your evidence so that everyone can see it. This is a simple fix. Just spend 20 minutes looking at various threads and boom, you understand the forums!
2. Donor command usage: I know for a fact that the donor guidelines have been sent directly to you at least once, and that you have been warned multiple times to read them. One of the most important things in those guidelines is that you must give staff time to respond to a problem before you take action (there are circumstances where you may act immediately of course). You have once tried to gag someone who only deserved a warning forcing me to immediately try to ungag them, and once gagged someone after I already gagged them. After the latter of these two incidents, you said that I was "too fast". If I wasn't that fast, then you would have overstepped because you would not have waited for staff to act. You have, on at least one instance (possibly more), kicked AFK people while staff are on. There are very clear guidelines for staff when we can do this, let alone donors.
Incident 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPGXxhMFIWU , timestamps 1-4 in the description
Incident 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8iB6BgQBiY , timestamps 2-3
2a. Donor command usage when staff are not on the server: I've gotten a number of complaints from various regulars (including staff from other servers) about your donor command usage, specifically when you gag/mute people. The general consensus is that you are far too strict with what constitutes micspam/chatspam. As a donor, you need to remember that if you choose to use your commands, you need to have the same level of justification that staff have for using their commands. Going through the PH relay, sometimes upwards of 50% of the text is just your binds! Try to watch how staff handle micspam/chatspam. Overt things like soundboards, racism, etc, we act immediately and issue warnings. Generally being loud, friendly banter? We try to steer the conversation in a different way. It's important to know the difference between these two situations.
2b. Donor command usage in general: This gets said a lot but I will reiterate it: donors are not staff. When trouble arises on the server, you may use your donor powers. However, you should also ping in the PH discord to see if staff are available to join and deal with the issue. You should always have justification for when you use your powers, and be able to explain this to staff when they ask.
3. Attitude: I have personally witnessed you get vocally frustrated multiple times on the server. It is fine to be frustrated, but only when it stays within the rules. Examples:
3a. We were on Cruce and you were a dead hunter. A prop came out, turned into a large object near a very new players. You spent about 30 seconds calling this player stupid for not seeing/shooting the prop near him. You were clearly frustrated at this player being new at the game. However, this kind of behavior should not (and will not) be acceptable as a staff member. New players bring new life to the game; we need to respect that they will need time to learn. Additionally, telling someone to kill a prop near when you're a dead hunter is a no-no, regardless of how obvious the prop might be. Additionally, you made fun of their screen name saying "they can't even come up with a normal name".
Incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8iB6BgQBiY , timestamp 1
3b. We were on Minimall and I was trying to catch a trio of ghosters. You ended up dying after you exploded an area, and began complaining that the explosion destroyed everything but the two props. You continued to ask why they were hiding in the same area, yada yada yada. I was trying to catch ghosters, but if I had been a hunter on your team, I would have immediately looked for either scortching from an explosive (which lasts quite a while) or looked for your body to get some easy kills. This is why I issued a ghosting warning in the chat at that time.
Incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfMHkudw09k , timestamp 1 (the rest of the timestamps are for the ghosters who got banned).
4. Arguing with staff: @augmENTreality2 has his own experience with you that he can talk about if he wants to. As for my experience, Koshka and I were on the map underwataa with you, and you were on Koshka's team. You were hiding in an illegal spot, were warned multiple times by Koshka and other regulars, and Koshka finally teleports you. Instead of accepting that you were in the wrong, you argued with me about the teleportation rule and about how you didn't see the warnings. One thing I will say is that staff have final say on the server. If we say your spot is illegal, then it's illegal for the time being. If the spot isn't in the !spots list, then it's illegal until higher staff can rule on the legality of the spot.
Incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPGXxhMFIWU , timestamp 39:05 and beyond.
This may seem like a lot, but all of this is fixable. Understand how the forums work, use your donor powers in a restrained manner, be quick to help new players and don't let your annoyance get the better of you, and always defer to staff when staff are on. If you have an issue with staff, then take it to the forums and don't argue with them on the server.
I have to give you a -1 on your application for now, but that may change in the future.
To anyone reading this, if you would like me to link the various youtube videos for the incidents mentioned above, please let me know.
