[Uriel'is]

Ingame Name: Uriel'is

SteamID: STEAM_0:0:25403932

Who Warned You: Rox5tar01

Reason For Warn: Overly Offensive/Sexual Topics - 6 Points

Applying for Removal or Expiry: Removal

Reason for Admins to Remove/Expire: Hey gang, just got muted/gagged after making ONE dumb s*xual joke (censored) to CloudySkies which ended up on all chat. No people actually caught on it besides Cloudy and Staff since there was a hype going about special round voting at that time and some of the people noticed what happened after I received warn for it. 

I double checked the MOTD incase yall changed the definition again and I've noticed that warns should be issued if the offender continues such discussion after being told not to. I was nor warned by STAFF nor repeated this discussion in next map change. 

What other active warns do you have, if any?: N/A

Other: -

[CrAcKbOnE]

+1 for removal or reduction

The joke wasn't even that bad, mostly censored and it was an insider between him and Cloudy. After the warn some guest was talking about his "p*ssy hole" without any punishment. Uriel has been warn/ban free for like 3 years and If he was gagged/muted and given a verbal warning I fully believe that he would not have reoffended.

[jonifun92]

Ingame Name: Uriel'is

SteamID: STEAM_0:0:25403932

Who Warned You: Rox5tar01

Reason For Warn: Overly Offensive/Sexual Topics - 6 Points

Applying for Removal or Expiry: Removal

Reason for Admins to Remove/Expire: Hey gang, just got muted/gagged after making ONE dumb s*xual joke (censored) to CloudySkies which ended up on all chat. No people actually caught on it besides Cloudy and Staff since there was a hype going about special round voting at that time and some of the people noticed what happened after I received warn for it. 

I double checked the MOTD incase yall changed the definition again and I've noticed that warns should be issued if the offender continues such discussion after being told not to. I was nor warned by STAFF nor repeated this discussion in next map change. 

What other active warns do you have, if any?: N/A

Other: -

+1 I believe that you would have stopped as soon as first warn was issued, wich according to you it - never was

[Rox5tar01]

Hi! I gave the warn! Gonna go through this point by point.

...Hey gang, just got muted/gagged after making ONE dumb s*xual joke (censored) to CloudySkies which ended up on all chat. No people actually caught on it besides Cloudy and Staff since there was a hype going about special round voting at that time and some of the people noticed what happened after I received warn for it...

A comment not being noticed by others does not change it's context, and as such does not reduce it's severity. It's still a comment that falls under the overly sexual umbrella. Also, censoring it does not reduce the severity of the comment. It doesn't take a college degree to figure out what was being said, and even so a word being censored does not make it any better than if it was said normally. Slur warns are a great example of this.

...I double checked the MOTD incase yall changed the definition again and I've noticed that warns should be issued if the offender continues such discussion after being told not to. I was nor warned by STAFF nor repeated this discussion in next map change...

You are correct on that. However, that same rule also says "This rule should be enforced more strictly when minors are present on the server." There were indeed minors present, thus why it jumped up a bit in severity and skipped the verbal.

..The joke wasn't even that bad, mostly censored and it was an insider between him and Cloudy. After the warn some guest was talking about his "p*ssy hole" without any punishment...

I do agree to an extent that the joke was not the worst case of "overly sexual" that's been seen. However, I deemed it far enough past the line to deem a warn. Also, just because someone else did something doesn't make it okay to repeat that action. More than likely it was just a comment missed by staff. If I heard that comment, I'd also give a Overly Sexual warn for that too especially if the aforementioned minors were still present.
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As for the warn itself, I'm not 100% opposed to this warn being wiped from the books. Like I said, a big part of the reason why it got jumped straight to a warn is that there were younger folks present. It's also not the most terrible thing ever said (the reason there was such a large gap between the mute/gag and the actual warn was due to me conferring with other staff members about it's severity) as far as overly sexual goes. You've been a good noodle otherwise, so I'd be okay with it getting swept under the rug. I would just be a bit more careful about making comments similar to that in the future, especially if there are younger players present.

TLDR: Stand by the warn itself, but am okay with it getting wiped. +0.5

Edited for Clarity

[jonifun92]

Hi! I gave the warn! Gonna go through this point by point.

...Hey gang, just got muted/gagged after making ONE dumb s*xual joke (censored) to CloudySkies which ended up on all chat. No people actually caught on it besides Cloudy and Staff since there was a hype going about special round voting at that time and some of the people noticed what happened after I received warn for it...

A comment not being noticed by others does not change it's context, and as such does not reduce it's severity. It's still a comment that falls under the overly sexual umbrella. Also, censoring it does not reduce the severity of the comment. It doesn't take a college degree to figure out what was being said, and even so a word being censored does not make it any better than if it was said normally. Slur warns are a great example of this.

...I double checked the MOTD incase yall changed the definition again and I've noticed that warns should be issued if the offender continues such discussion after being told not to. I was nor warned by STAFF nor repeated this discussion in next map change...

You are correct on that. However, that same rule also says "This rule should be enforced more strictly when minors are present on the server." There were indeed minors present, thus why it jumped up a bit in severity and skipped the verbal.

..The joke wasn't even that bad, mostly censored and it was an insider between him and Cloudy. After the warn some guest was talking about his "p*ssy hole" without any punishment...

I do agree to an extent that the joke was not the worst case of "overly sexual" that's been seen. However, I deemed it far enough past the line to deem a warn. Also, just because someone else did something doesn't make it okay to repeat that action. More than likely it was just a comment missed by staff. If I heard that comment, I'd also give a Overly Sexual warn for that too especially if the aforementioned minors were still present.
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As for the warn itself, I'm not 100% opposed to this warn being wiped from the books. Like I said, a big part of the reason why it got jumped straight to a warn is that there were younger folks present. It's also not the most terrible thing ever said (the reason there was such a large gap between the mute/gag and the actual warn was due to me conferring with other staff members about it's severity) as far as overly sexual goes. You've been a good noodle otherwise, so I'd be okay with it getting swept under the rug. I would just be a bit more careful about making comments similar to that in the future, especially if there are younger players present.

TLDR: Stand by the warn itself, but am okay with it getting wiped. +0.5

Edited for Clarity

Good to see both point of views. Easier to understand now. Your answer is also a huge +1 to you for being able to look at this again and give a 0.5. I am all for mods that can look at a thing over again if a ban or warn is for a minor incident. And I'm sure Uriel will be a little more carefull in the future either outcome of this apeal

[LMISA64film]

+1 for removal or reduction


After explaining the situation and understanding that he made a dumb joke, I think it is clear that Uriel'is learned his lesson and will more careful in the future. He should be able to return roaming free with the rest of the apes.

[Succubus Widdy]

Given this was a one off thing and doesn't seem to have malicious intent, I could def see a good reason for a +1. Just be more careful next time! (:

[Sacred]

This could definitely be a reduction scenario. +1

[TDawg4]

Warn has been removed. You are right. You didn't receive a verbal before hand and the content wasn't that severe.

To be clear certain comments are warn worthy even without the verbal from staff, this just doesn't rise to that level.

Also you have a clean history in this area. (which helps).