[茶 Tea]

+1 rdm is cool

[Sailboat495]

+1!!!!!!! HUGE FROST FAN!!!!!!

[Love4puppys]

+1, dude what? The ban shouldn't have happened to begin with.

First, while it is true Boombox did not forgive his report at first, he was unaware of the rules on banning and mass rdm at 3 unforgiven reports. I spoke to him directly at the time, he told me he just thought it would be an autoslay and that he wanted to forgive the report.

           



Second, the "debate" around whether Jack was delaying or not is completely nonsensical. I love him but undeniably and irrefutably Jack was delaying. He was not actively searching for innos and after becoming last t at 2:05 his next damage/kill were simultaneous at 4:51 from the c4 he planted at 2:59, that's 2 minutes and 46 seconds after becoming the last t. You kind of know the traitors are delaying when you keep seeing the same people with the same hp over and over again, you hear no gunfire or nades, you know noone is dying, that is provably exactly what was happening. Nothing. He was a little bit inebriated and we like to have a good time on the server but someone else ended up a lot a bit banned so we start to have an issue there.
I want to be clear I didn't want and don't want Jack slayed, just as much as I don't want and don't think frost should be banned. It really comes down to what I would call common sense or common courtesy/common practice. If you are breaking the rules then report someone else that you think may have broken the rules it's a bit hypocritical. The hyperfocus on the issue of delaying at all was only created due to it being denied that it ever even occurred. It was mentioned as the catalyst for what frost did. Blankly I can state it would never be a justification for killing those innos, but it was simply framing or a meek explanation for why someone may become frustrated and make poor decisions thereafter.

           

And forgetting it being a little bit cringe to not fire a single bullet or act in any meaningful way to help your team the entire round then report and not forgive once you're killed, the fact that Jack's unforgiven report resulted in a slay and subsequently a ban is wrong in and of itself. 
After frost killed the innos in the bathroom there were 6 people total still alive, 5 on the radar frost had purchased early in the round. 3 detectives including frost, 2 proven innos, and the last traitor, delaying and also admittedly fleeing from direct combat because they "didn't want to get rdmed". I'm sorry but I looked really hard and didn't see an asterisk for " *allowed to delay if scared of being killed " anywhere in the rules or staff guidelines. 


Per the damage logs this is the sequence of events and a breakdown of the round;

"There are 17 innocent(s), 4 detective(s) and 6 traitor(s) this round! 1 player is spectating the Trouble in this Terrorist Town."
Total - 27 alive, 21 innocents (including detectives) and 6 traitors

All Kills

[00:07] theblandbanana [traitor] has killed nico [innocent] with AWP-----------------------------------------------|1st innocent death == 16 innos/4 detectives left
[00:07] caribou [traitor] has killed JOB IS DONE [innocent] with Deagle------------------------------------------- |2nd innocent death == 15 innos/4 detectives left
[00:11] ImAddiction [detective] has killed theblandbanana [traitor] with MP5 NAVY------------------------------|1st traitor death == 5 traitors left
[00:12] Pancakes [traitor] has killed monkeydog [innocent] with Deagle--------------------------------------------|3rd innocent death == 14 innos/4 detectives left
[00:13] caribou [traitor] has killed baba [innocent] with Deagle------------------------------------------------------|4th innocent death == 13 innos/4 detectives left
[01:13] ZipZappy [traitor] has killed murl [innocent] with an explosion--------------------------------------------- |5th innocent death ==12 innos/4 detectives left
[00:14] Damien [traitor] has killed bobillin [innocent] with Deagle---------------------------------------------------|6th innocent death == 11 innos/4 detectives left
[00:24] vanilla [innocent] has killed caribou [traitor] with The Bullshite---------------------------------------------|2nd traitor death == 4 traitors left,  >>vanilla is proven>>
[00:33] Damien [traitor] has killed sept 8th [innocent] with P90----------------------------------------------------  |7th innocent death == 10 innos/4 detectives left
[00:40] Damien [traitor] has killed TwisterCat [innocent] with P90-------------------------------------------------- |8th innocent death == 9 innos/4 detectives left
[00:50] frost [detective] has killed Damien [traitor] with The Bullshite----------------------------------------------|3rd traitor death == 3 traitors left
[01:06] ImAddiction [detective] has killed Pancakes [traitor] with The Bullshite-----------------------------------|4th traitor death == 2 traitors left
*[01:09] frost [detective] bought Radar
[02:05] frost [detective] has killed ZipZappy [traitor] with The Bullshite--------------------------------------------|5th traitor death == 1 traitor left, >>jack becomes last T>>
[02:19] ZipZappy [traitor] has killed Davus [innocent] with Melon Mine-------------------------------------------- |9th innocent death == 8 innos/4 detectives left
[02:19] ZipZappy [traitor] has killed ImAddiction [detective] with Melon Mine-------------------------------------|10th innocent death == 8 innos/3 detectives left
[04:51] Jack [traitor] has killed mistadobalina [innocent] with an explosion----------------------------------------|11th innocent death == 7 innos/3 detectives left
[05:14] frost [detective] has killed Boombox [innocent] with The Bullshite-----------------------------------------|12th innocent death == 6 innos/3 detectives left
[05:14] frost [detective] has killed viciouslee956 [innocent] with The Bullshite------------------------------------|13th innocent death == 5 innos/3 detectives left
[05:15] frost [detective] has killed fridge [innocent] with The Bullshite---------------------------------------------|14th innocent death == 4 innos/3 detectives left
[05:16] frost [detective] has killed Cat Petter [innocent] with The Bullshite----------------------------------------|15th innocent death == 3 innos/3 detectives left
[05:22] frost [detective] has killed Skin stealer 3125125832786178925 [innocent] with The Bullshite---------|16th inno death, 2 innos/3 detectives left

so for frost on radar there are 5 pings, 2 blue for d buddies, and 3 green for everyone else. 
1 ping was for vanilla who is the only inno to directly kill a traitor, frost specifically does not kill vanilla (the last time I saw vanilla he was in the bathroom)
2nd ping is myself and I have kosed multiple people proven to be traitor over voice chat, frost specifically does not kill me
3rd and final ping is Jack, unproven and hiding where frost finds and kills him

[05:44] frost [detective] has killed Jack [traitor] with The Bullshite ---- Round Ends.


This was rdm in what world? What other conclusion could there be? This whole thing was just very poorly handled imho. A white name, sure get them out immediately. We can't take 2 seconds before a PERMANENT BAN to ask a regular player what their reason was for killing the last t? The fact the frost didn't give a better detailed answer to the Jack report is unfortunate and I'm not happy about it, but also hey, maybe fucking ask them directly why they did the kill before adding slays that you are aware would result in a permaban? 1 fucking question maybe, at least? A regular player, countless time donator, someone who has spent a lot of time in the server and is well liked and respected among other players gets the same amount of effort and consideration as a white name that we've played with for a half hour? It's just fucking bizarre to me, it's just kind of fucked to be honest.

This entire thing already reeks of bias, but the fact that the person in question that reported a justified kill and didn't forgive the report is publicly receiving feedback about their conduct (of which they could have been slayed for and weren't) that occurred on a public sever in a way that was fact based and for the most part tame and calm and the response to the person get deleted by another staff member that was directly involved themselves in that on server situation? The one person gets to give their 2 cents and everyone thereafter gets the threat of warn points and no chance to say anything? It's absolutely absurd, it stinks of a coverup and has the appearance of impropriety. Disagreement is not an argument and if telling the truth about what happened by detailing it and screenshotting the rules and damage logs is "shitting on" someone it's the person's conduct, however unintentional, that was shitty not the criticism of it.

[bobillin]

+1 I dont know frost really but i was there when Frost was banned + I often play at the same times as them and from what I've witnessed frost has always been level-headed. The situation which lead to them getting banned was controversial and I don't think they deserve a permaban, if anything the ban appeal length is enough of a punishment for what was honestly a very tame incident. I hope to see them playing again because they are a very good player who's fun to play against and rarely gets into these kinds of situations. +1

[Rox5tar01]

I wasn't there for the delay/mass/ban situation, but here is my two cents on the entire thing. A few comments to preface:

1. In my opinion, anything regarding the delay should not be included in the discussion on whether Frost should be unbanned or not. I believe even though the delay was the motivation, I don't believe the fact of whether it was or wasn't should act as a good justification for the mass. Whether there was delay or not, the mass RDM should be treated the same.
2. I don't believe Frost being well-liked or a regular should be more of a reason to support an unban. If anything, I believe that Frost being a regular actually hurts the case for an unban for me, because unlike a guest who is not familiar with our values and rules, Frost should be well aware of the rules of our community. That being said, I've had nothing but positive experiences with Frost. Aside from a few issues here and there, behavior wise they aren't a regular trouble maker so that does help.

As for the mass itself, I think a ban is a fair punishment. Maybe not a perma, but I do believe that a malicious (You say it wasn't malicious, but you killed 6 players including some proven players. These were intentional kills, so thus they are malicious) violation such as this should not go without some form of consequence. The reason a mass has such a large punishment attached to it is to act as a form of deterrent. If leniency was granted willy nilly, it would lose it's threat. As you said yourself, "If players aren't being punished for a rule set for all players, more players will start to do it". I do believe that punishment is fair, especially in a non-edge case like this.

Do I think that the delay was wrong and should have been punished? Yeah, I wasn't there for it but from my understanding a slay for delay would have been appropriate. At the same time, trying to fix a rule violation by committing a worse rule violation is 100% not okay. Still though, I think keeping a perma stuck on you for this would be silly.

One more thing, as for the "did frost even try to contact staff?" portion. You are not required to contact staff, but at the same time I personally believe you kinda should. It's a bit different if people are actively complaining about it, but sometimes staff may not realize a rule violation is happening. Speaking from my own experience, if I'm listening to music, handling reports or otherwise preoccupied I may not realize that certain rule violations are happening. We as staff try to be proactive, but we are not all-seeing and will sometimes miss things. By reaching out to the staff online, we can enforce rules that we may otherwise have not noticed were being broken. This isn't you telling us how to do our job, but rather making us aware of things that we may not be. You aren't required to do this and will never be punished for not, but by communicating issues you may see/have with staff, we are able to more effectively do our jobs and can overall make Dinks a better place.

-1 on unban, +1 to ban reduction. Personally, I think a ban reduction to either one or two weeks would be fitting, which given that the ban happened on the 24th would be either 7/31 or 8/7 respectively.

[flare]

+1, frost is always chill. people need to stop drooling over their keyboard when they get traitor and wasting everyone's time. stop playing like you're gonna die irl

[caribou]

+1 Your appeal has been accepted!

[Market Down]

Snippin this giant wall of text

I nominate Puppys to be the Dinkleberg's TTT | Fast Downloads! | Staff Needed forums defense attorney because this post makes fanta look like a first year associate which doesn't know which way is up on the keyboard.

+1 to unban. Great evidence gathering.

[BGgamez YT]

+1 its a good thing all evidence has been gathered from this ban. Its fun playing with you and I think you deserve another chance

[Caddy]

+1 on ban being lifted, I'm aware of the rules though I also think that a perma ban for a one-time offense of mass rdm is too harsh a punishment especially for a regular player without any major bans or history doing things like this. I, like many other people, enjoy frosts presence on the server and hope to play with them again soon!