[d33r]

Ingame Name: d33r & Eamtomlinson

SteamID: STEAM_0:1:418964902 & STEAM_0:0:561638523

Who Warned You: Virunas

Reason For Warn: Severe Teaming (8)

Applying for Removal or Expiry: Removal collectively for d33r and Eamtomlinson

Reason for Admins to Remove/Expire: Me and Eamtomlinson were fighting with rocks when Lil Pleepo slimed me. I had not anticipated Eamtomlinson reviving me in that moment but it wished to continue fighting before we were interrupted. Eamtomlinson hadn't told me it was a traitor nor did Eamtomlinson tell me it had bought one defibrillator. So when revived I already knew Eamtomlinson only had a rock and I know Lil Pleepo would have just shot me in the head again. So I first killed Lil Pleepo before killing Eamtomlinson. Lil Pleepo informed me that apparently the rules say you need to kill the defibber before anyone else. I haven't heard of this before and I can think of plenty of moments where traitors revive innocents. Innocents never killing or the revived innocent calling out the traitors they heard of in dead chat while not killing. Which I do understand these situations are different from this one but I think it still shows that its usually side-eyed. Especially with Uriel and many times I've seen him be rezzed by his friends and going for their buddies. Or him being given a knife and getting someone. Eamtomlinson even revived Love4Puppies during the same map showing that it wasn't even biased twords me. So I believe I shouldn't have the warn because I prioritized killing the traitor who was going to kill me first. Eamtomlinson didn't just let me kill him either it was still actively attacking me with a rock when it revived me. I do understand me jokingly saying "on todays episode of me and Eamtomlinson teaming" doesn't help the thought process when viewing this situation nor that we were in discord voice chat in the main server. We had already been in vc for several hours and still were in vc after the fact, It wasn't a contributing factor to the play at hand. The joke aswell was made as I killed Lil Pleepo whilst still killing Eamtomlinson with a rock. I didn't think that caribou would take it seriously asking Eamtomlinson multiple times why it revived me and going out of his way to say "rip staff app too" just to be rude. I personally found my joke to be harmless in a situation I genuinely thought I had taken the proper steps to do what I was meant to do.

Other: Eamtomlinson has already decided it wishes to leave the community but since the warn was given to us both and I believe we are both undeserving of it I am still putting it in for both of us. 
The log of it happening

The log of Eamtomlinson reviving Love4Puppies

[HONG]

-1… if you can’t do the time… don’t do the crime…

[tiefling lesbian]

unofficial response but as per the rules, defibbing becomes teaming once you attack other players after being defibbed (or if it delays the round)
any instances of teaming should be reported to staff

[frost]

-1 to you
kinda went out of your way to kill the person who killed you instead of the person who defibbed you. comparing your situation to others doesn't make yours any less bad.

-1 to eam
initiated the teaming by defibbing you + initiated the teaming with puppys, however in puppys case she was not intentionally teaming therefore she shouldn't even be in this post. if anything, you just posted another reason why he shouldn't be unbanned lol

[Dinomoto]

Bloody hell. I hate teaming. -1 to you both. I'm not mad, just disappointed.

[Jammin]

-1 to eam, they should appeal themselves if they care. Also incredibly obvious they were teaming.

Is rust rock a t weapon? That would impact my opinion.

[Virunas]

Is rust rock a t weapon? That would impact my opinion.

It’s a melee weapon anyone can unbox

edit: why -1 my post for being factual lol

[Jammin]

-1 to eam, they should appeal themselves if they care. Also incredibly obvious they were teaming.

Is rust rock a t weapon? That would impact my opinion.

I now understand rust rock to be a melee substitute.

I am not aware of any situation where there is an obligation to kill players in some order. It sounds like d33r was not aware of, consenting to, or otherwise supporting their revival as an innocent, but was aware Eam did the revival.

D33r then killed members of the opposing team - known traitor "The Guest" (i'm guessing this is Lil peepo?) and known traitor Eam.
To call this teaming is stretching things - in fact, I would argue, that standing there doing nothing is more akin to teaming than killing members of the opposite team.

I'd like to see a video - being revived by a T as an inno usually only ends in immediate death. I don't blame someone for running from the revival spot then taking out traitors. Perhaps Peepo was in the area that d33r ran off to? How do we know that Peepo wasn't staring down D33r with a long gun?

It appears to me that D33r and Eam were trying to have their own rock fight, and did so both at the beginning and the end of the round in question. I don't see how this is teaming anymore than a consensual prop fight.

I think not immediately killing Eam, in order to engage with the rock fight, IS teaming - minor teaming. Just as any prop fight is minor teaming.
I am a +1 for conversion of the warning to Minor Teaming. If proof can be shown that Peepo was not in the area, and that D33r sought peepo out, then severe teaming has a better argument.

[HONG]

-1 to eam, they should appeal themselves if they care. Also incredibly obvious they were teaming.

Is rust rock a t weapon? That would impact my opinion.

I am not aware of any situation where there is an obligation to kill players in some order. It sounds like d33r was not aware of, consenting to, or otherwise supporting their revival as an innocent, but was aware Eam did the revival.

D33r then killed members of the opposing team - known traitor "The Guest" (i'm guessing this is Lil peepo?) and known traitor Eam.
To call this teaming is stretching things - in fact, I would argue, that standing there doing nothing is more akin to teaming than killing members of the opposite team.

please read tieflings reply

[Nelluc9]

-1 to eam, they should appeal themselves if they care. Also incredibly obvious they were teaming.

Is rust rock a t weapon? That would impact my opinion.

I now understand rust rock to be a melee substitute.

I am not aware of any situation where there is an obligation to kill players in some order. It sounds like d33r was not aware of, consenting to, or otherwise supporting their revival as an innocent, but was aware Eam did the revival.

D33r then killed members of the opposing team - known traitor "The Guest" (i'm guessing this is Lil peepo?) and known traitor Eam.
To call this teaming is stretching things - in fact, I would argue, that standing there doing nothing is more akin to teaming than killing members of the opposite team.

As per the staff guidelines:



A traitor reviving an innocent then getting their T buddy killed is the actual definition we use as a baseline for Severe Teaming.