[Cyrus]

I get what you're saying, but the rule for attempted mass/consistent RDM (regardless of how long someone has been on the server) is a permanent ban. The reason why new players are banned at a higher rate is simply because if someone who is a guest is causing issues, the natural assumption is to assume they're only on to cause trouble and need to be dealt with. The regulars, as much as I hate to admit it, do get away with sitting in the gray area on situations. I will not deny that fact. I'm only going to be speaking for myself here, but I usually try my best not to show any sort of bias in these situations. Naturally, we as humans will make mistakes and not make the right choice, causing the conundrum of showing "bias." The reason why a lot of these players go unpunished is because the people who they're prop killing/revenge rdming (etc) usually do not report the person doing it. In my case, I usually will slay the person who did it if someone makes a report and they do not forgive, unless the death scene/logs show me evidence that the one who reported initiated the conflict. I also agree that sometimes, staffing is inconsistent amongst us. Just like any other occupation, we all have our own approach to how to handle issues: some of us are more authoritarian than others, while others are more laid back and only step in when it gets too chaotic. Neither one of these are a bad thing, but I just want to reiterate to you that not everyone approaches situations the same way, and that we sometimes will make errors in judgement, mistakes, etc. In this case, Jesse supplied a great deal of evidence that you were causing issues with consistent attempted RDM/Mass RDM. That does result in a ruling of a permanent ban from the server, as I stated in the introduction of this response. I respect your opinion you have, but I've explained why I disagree. I hope you can respect that.

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So, you didn't actually read what I was saying. I have specified MULTIPLE times that I should be banned to an extent for what I've done. However, I also said that permabanning players who have made mistakes for their FIRST mistake is far overboard and yes, if a player has no intention to come back to the server, then they should be banned permanently. But the thing is, if a player has been banned for 1,3,7 days, etc (honestly you could just make the initial ban 7 days) then they won't come back anyway. You've also agreed that there are issues in moderation and inconsistency, which is exactly the point I want to bring up. Listen, you have the right idea but you're interpreting it all wrong and everything you've said essentially agrees with what I'm calling for, yet you somehow reach a different conclusion.

You agreed that there is a certain gray area for regulars and donors, (which definitely shouldn't exist if the first ban for rdm past 2 slays is perma), and you also agreed that staff inconsistently deal with players. So, should it really be fair for a player to be permabanned because one staff was more authoritarian than another? That doesn't sit well with me at all. Players shouldn't have to rely upon the benevolence of the moderator banning them to know whether or not they are permabanned. If a player made a small mistake that was inconsistently dealt with by different staff (for example, lets say one staff would ban someone for continuous propkill while a different staff wouldn't ban them) It would be much more fair to have them start out with an initial 3 or 7 day ban than permaban, because permabanning seems far too black and white. If someone does something stupid and gets temp banned by a mod that is more critical of rule breaking, then, oh well, they get banned for a few days and have a chance for redemption IF they want to come back (keep in mind that most players whose SOLE intention to grief would never return after a 3 or 7 day ban).

Honestly man, your heart is in the right place but you really are grossly underestimating how flawed the system is, and you also haven't considered any of my suggestions and have instead simply said my permaban was warranted and that there ARE issues on the server (yet somehow not that they need to be addressed or fixed)

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The offenders are entirely free to come into the ban request thread and provide context, which they do all the time, and a lot of times the context is provided in the post anyways. Also in my experience people that are chosen as witnesses usually don't care enough to provide more context or simply don't remember enough.

So then, they shouldn't be permabanned off the first report / request that is filed since there aren't enough instances and witnesses to agree / corroborate it. Right? Hmmm. Players shouldn't be permabanned immediately in 99% of cases, because, if they had no intention to seriously play the game, they wouldn't come back after the first 3 or 7 day ban.