06-24-2020, 01:58 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-24-2020, 01:59 PM by Ckg. Edited 1 time in total.)
“Some players can actively receive 1-4 warns per few map cycles without significant punishment, farming them pretty easily. These warns are turning into lazy reinforcement stickers. If you are allowing players to gain a large amount of warns within a short timeframe to punish them you are trapping them.
Displaying leniency in the form of warns and then justifying a large punishment as an effect of weak reprimand is the issue. They should work in conjunction rather than having a player need to reach a threshold that is easily gained..”
They [warnings] are not punishments, but are given alongside punishments (i.e gags, or kicks).
Warnings are a way for staff to keep track of how many infractions someone has had, while at the same time having proof that we have sufficiently informed them on how to act properly. The warning also shows up in chat for them so they can see it as opposed to a verbal warning which may be lost amongst other voices. It seems like in response you overlooked the fact the the warnings in themselves aren’t a punishment but coincide with a punishment to let players know for sure what they are being punished for and for staff to keep track of the players who constantly cause trouble. You’re being unreasonable asking staff to control players who refuse to be controlled. I would pose to you the question as to what to do if you told someone to stop micspamming and they decided to continue even after you issued them multiple gags? Considering you thought this ban was too harsh for Ernie, a ban for anything less would not be fair according to you. So that takes bans out of the options, leaving only gags and kicks. It’s unreasonable to kick someone every time they micspam, because if they join back and continue the endless cycle of kicks won’t achieve anything. This leaves only gags, which we already have levels of that we passed, and it seems as if you’re suggesting to only move up in gag length. At that point if someone is quiet after a round gag and a map gag why are they gonna stop after a 30 min gag, a 2 map gag, an hour gag, or anything until it’s just a ban or permanent gag. While I recognize you don’t have staffing experience it’s incredibly unreasonable to ask staff to keep track of specific timing for multiple gags while trying to handle everything else.
Thus in the end the only system that works with the steps you request is to have staff completely disregard micspam for efficiency and fairness’ sake, which is just dumb. You can’t ask staff to change their ways without us having another effective way to get our message across or enforce the rules.
TLDR: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Displaying leniency in the form of warns and then justifying a large punishment as an effect of weak reprimand is the issue. They should work in conjunction rather than having a player need to reach a threshold that is easily gained..”
They [warnings] are not punishments, but are given alongside punishments (i.e gags, or kicks).
Warnings are a way for staff to keep track of how many infractions someone has had, while at the same time having proof that we have sufficiently informed them on how to act properly. The warning also shows up in chat for them so they can see it as opposed to a verbal warning which may be lost amongst other voices. It seems like in response you overlooked the fact the the warnings in themselves aren’t a punishment but coincide with a punishment to let players know for sure what they are being punished for and for staff to keep track of the players who constantly cause trouble. You’re being unreasonable asking staff to control players who refuse to be controlled. I would pose to you the question as to what to do if you told someone to stop micspamming and they decided to continue even after you issued them multiple gags? Considering you thought this ban was too harsh for Ernie, a ban for anything less would not be fair according to you. So that takes bans out of the options, leaving only gags and kicks. It’s unreasonable to kick someone every time they micspam, because if they join back and continue the endless cycle of kicks won’t achieve anything. This leaves only gags, which we already have levels of that we passed, and it seems as if you’re suggesting to only move up in gag length. At that point if someone is quiet after a round gag and a map gag why are they gonna stop after a 30 min gag, a 2 map gag, an hour gag, or anything until it’s just a ban or permanent gag. While I recognize you don’t have staffing experience it’s incredibly unreasonable to ask staff to keep track of specific timing for multiple gags while trying to handle everything else.
Thus in the end the only system that works with the steps you request is to have staff completely disregard micspam for efficiency and fairness’ sake, which is just dumb. You can’t ask staff to change their ways without us having another effective way to get our message across or enforce the rules.
TLDR: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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