11-12-2020, 07:46 PM
Frankly in most cases i'd support a +1 unban for a situation like this. Especially with the haziness around a possible false report and a minimum-threshold 3 report window. And I did modify my comment above to better reflect my thoughts now that it is not 2 am.
However, in this unban appeal itself, there is one thing that I have noticed, and two things that I have not noticed, which stop me from +1 ing an unban:
Things I've seen:
1. Lies regarding ban history (outright denial on existence of previous 2 bans - one was appealed and not acted on, other was not appealed)
Things I haven't seen:
1. Acknowledgement/acceptance of their role in the action (baited or not, you still armed it) and recognition that this is against the rules
2. Apology & a logical path forward post-ban (aka, "i will not do this again")
3. Apology & expression of remorse to the individuals killed that didn't consent to being killed.
I stand by my rating of -0 unban and +1 reduction.
While I am still not factoring other issues into my rating, I do factor in behavioral issues typed in text in the unban report itself. I am not factoring his other issues (harassment, targeting, donor abuse, etc.)
I'm also concerned about the future. What is to stop you from going up the next level? Haha, i sniped someone from tower because thats funny? Haha, I false reported Gcubed becuase thats funnY? The overall temperment and how easily you got baited, after being warned (and given a second chance) is concerning. Without an apology for doing it, I don't see this getting better. Yes, there is some blame to be shared, but Price made a conscience decision to perform an action that resulted in at minimum 2 valid reports. And he was just warned about doing that exact action (arming c4's as inno) a few days prior.
I remain at:
-0 unban
+1 reduction ~ 1 week
However, in this unban appeal itself, there is one thing that I have noticed, and two things that I have not noticed, which stop me from +1 ing an unban:
Things I've seen:
1. Lies regarding ban history (outright denial on existence of previous 2 bans - one was appealed and not acted on, other was not appealed)
Things I haven't seen:
1. Acknowledgement/acceptance of their role in the action (baited or not, you still armed it) and recognition that this is against the rules
2. Apology & a logical path forward post-ban (aka, "i will not do this again")
3. Apology & expression of remorse to the individuals killed that didn't consent to being killed.
I stand by my rating of -0 unban and +1 reduction.
While I am still not factoring other issues into my rating, I do factor in behavioral issues typed in text in the unban report itself. I am not factoring his other issues (harassment, targeting, donor abuse, etc.)
I'm also concerned about the future. What is to stop you from going up the next level? Haha, i sniped someone from tower because thats funny? Haha, I false reported Gcubed becuase thats funnY? The overall temperment and how easily you got baited, after being warned (and given a second chance) is concerning. Without an apology for doing it, I don't see this getting better. Yes, there is some blame to be shared, but Price made a conscience decision to perform an action that resulted in at minimum 2 valid reports. And he was just warned about doing that exact action (arming c4's as inno) a few days prior.
I remain at:
-0 unban
+1 reduction ~ 1 week
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