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What do you think an appropriate teaming rule should be? - La Flama Blanca - 10-13-2020 I think it might be a good time to review the rule against teaming and the staff guidelines which set out several examples of what constitutes teaming and the appropriate punishments. To save you a couple clicks, I have copied and pasted references to teaming included on our main TTT Rules page and on our TTT Staff Guidelines document. Rules 5. Do Not Exploit, Hack, Metagame or Otherwise Avoid the Game's Intended Limits
Metagaming/Teaming Metagaming is defined as the use of outside information in the game while teaming is sort of an offset of metagaming. TEAMING EXAMPLES
1 - 2 Week Ban 2 - Perm Ban Please feel free to add your thoughts about this rule. This thread is not officially sponsored by the staff. Rather, I am creating it as a way to gather some opinions regarding what the greater community (players and staff alike) might think is an appropriate rule regarding teaming. I'll be posting my own thoughts below, but I truly would like hear some diverse viewpoints. Some questions that might guide you in a response
RE: What do you think an appropriate teaming rule should be? - JesseTheUndeadCowboy - 10-13-2020 You might go somewhere with the moderate and severe teaming but I’m not sure myself. I feel like it’s sometimes hard to classify teaming too. Like say for a instance a innocent sees a body bomb planted and picks up the body bomb and goes on to kill a group of innocents with it on purpose. Would that be considered teaming or rdm. That’s just one example I thought of at the top of my head cus I have seen stuff like that happened. However in some cases teaming can be easy to define too. Like say for example a guy is shooting innocents as a t and the guys friend helps him kills all the innocents. That is teaming I’m pretty sure but it also depends on the intention and the way the situation happened. It’s just depends really. I think staff discretion also comes into play here sometimes too. Moderate and severe teaming I can understand that maybe. Perhaps with moderate teaming it could be three strikes and you are out possibly, but I don’t know if that’s too strict or something, I don’t know how the ban lengths would work for moderate teaming though. Severe teaming on the other hand could probably. be just be two offenses until a perma ban, first offense 2 week and then perma for severe. Since severe teaming would mostly likely deal with malicious teaming and disregard of playing the game right. RE: What do you think an appropriate teaming rule should be? - Alec - 10-13-2020 imo i think a 2 week ban for teaming can be a little harsh. But hey rules are rules RE: What do you think an appropriate teaming rule should be? - ^aethy - 10-13-2020 2 weeks is excessive RE: What do you think an appropriate teaming rule should be? - JesseTheUndeadCowboy - 10-13-2020 (10-13-2020, 12:56 PM)aeth0r Wrote: 2 weeks is excessiveYeah I kinda agree with aethor and Alec for some cases of teaming. I feel like moderate and severe teaming should be a thing because of this. Moderate teaming should have a shorter length of a first offense. But we would need to figure out how to define moderate teaming and severe teaming clearly. RE: What do you think an appropriate teaming rule should be? - La Flama Blanca - 10-13-2020 First of all, my decision to post this thread was obviously spurred by a recent ban request. However, this wasn't the first time I expressed a dislike for the teaming rules. Included are two past instances where I expressed such disdain, one yesterday and one over two years ago.
I believe that the punishments for teaming are far in excess of what I think is appropriate. Of the three examples provided in the staff guidelines, I really only think one should remain as it is written. That would be the last one, where a traitor purposely lets an innocent into the T room. The other two are far too broad, in my opinion. I really think they should be amended to create a more specific "bad faith" requirement. Instances where defibbing an innocent friend as a traitor or choosing not to immediately kill them despite knowledge of them being a traitor is generally not done in an effort to ruin the game. Rather, it's usually done as a way to make the game more fun for oneself or their friend. And it doesn't necessarily cause a direct interruption to the gameplay. For a traitor defibbing an innocent, I believe that this needs to be accompanied by evidence showing that the revived innocent disrupted the gameplay - evidence of this may include them killing the traitor buddies of the reviving traitor in the middle of the round. Innocents refusing to kill an obvious traitor is just far too open to interpretation, in my opinion, to be sustained as an example of teaming. In fact, it may even encourage RDM. Expanding on a point stated above - I believe the teaming rules could be too expansive/broad. This a problem because it not only leads to selective enforcement but also leaves some players without fair notice as to what truly constitutes teaming. Some instances that might be construed as teaming might include
So there are three things that I would like to emphasize for inclusion in a potential revised rule (This is the TL;DR)
RE: What do you think an appropriate teaming rule should be? - Salty - 10-13-2020 Personally, I think we should categorize teaming into two subcategories like how ghosting is setup, with moderate and malicious teaming. Malicious teaming would be someone who is ruining the round and experience for someone else, whereas moderate would be just people screwing around. RE: What do you think an appropriate teaming rule should be? - ⋆ Fx ⋆ - 10-13-2020 I think instead of reporting people you see teaming give them a slay or a warn depending on the severity. If mass is involved then deal with it like normal. as for ghosting on my old server we would slay first and give them a warn and if they continue its a week ban. RE: What do you think an appropriate teaming rule should be? - lacer - 10-13-2020 (10-13-2020, 01:02 PM)Prince Nicky La Flama Blanca Wrote: Some instances that might be construed as teaming might includeI'm on my way home so I'm just gonna respond to those and leave it responses in red RE: What do you think an appropriate teaming rule should be? - dong - 10-13-2020 I called off work today and I'm off tomorrow, so I will dedicate my own time to go through both our guidelines and rules and see what revisions I could come up with. Will share them with Nicol as well and see what he thinks. So would like anyone to dm me on Discord dong#8491 for whatever suggestions you have. |