[Brahma]

before I forget by rdming someone you're basically doing the same to them.

i'm sorry, do you think the argument is that there should be no slays for rdm?

I'm sorry what ?

[茶 Tea]

before I forget by rdming someone you're basically doing the same to them.

i'm sorry, do you think the argument is that there should be no slays for rdm?

I'm sorry what ?

by rdming someone, are you banning them from the server and giving them long-lasting warn points?

[Ryan]

before I forget by rdming someone you're basically doing the same to them.

i'm sorry, do you think the argument is that there should be no slays for rdm?

He’s saying that if you take someone’s round with RDM, you shouldn’t get the luxury of choosing when to get slain without also getting a couple warn points.

[茶 Tea]

before I forget by rdming someone you're basically doing the same to them.

i'm sorry, do you think the argument is that there should be no slays for rdm?

He’s saying that if you take someone’s round with RDM, you shouldn’t get the luxury of choosing when to get slain without also getting a couple warn points.

but you don't get to choose when to get slain; it's always the next round you try to play

[Im A Bald Eagle]

before I forget by rdming someone you're basically doing the same to them.

i'm sorry, do you think the argument is that there should be no slays for rdm?

He’s saying that if you take someone’s round with RDM, you shouldn’t get the luxury of choosing when to get slain without also getting a couple warn points.

but you don't get to choose when to get slain; it's always the next round you try to play

So what if you choose your next round to be 1pm on a random Tuesday when there’s 1 other person on the server? Then your slay punishment only lasts ~30 seconds.

[Snow (3)]

Generally, this is just a non issue. I can understand that you don't like the current scheme as it is annoying with your job to ask someone before you dc or have to send a message later to explain, but there is a reason that we are not constantly having to remove rdm and leave warns.

I think saying 2 point warns stacked up are equivalent in moral weight to a pedophile joke is a misunderstanding of the warn system. No one is being treated or significantly differently for having a two point warn (not to call him out but I think BG had like a 6 pointer ghosting or teaming warn when getting staff?), like they did 1/4th a pedophile joke or 1/5th a harassment. The system just identifies things that we want to happen less and ties a consequence to it. If you are not a problematic player who breaks other rules, I personally see no difference from a 2 point warn and a 0 point warn. Getting 4 rdm leave warns in a month is really hard, I actually don't know anyone who has done it. If you somehow manage that a day ban is not that big of a deal, and your points will reset when the warns expire giving that much more room before hitting the next threshold. For those counting at home that would take 7 rdm and leave warns.

Something else to think about is that if you avoid rdming (breaking a rule) you never have to worry about an rdm and leave warn. Yes I understand that almost everyone does regularly, but if it is something you are doing so often that you are worried constantly about having to leave with a report open on you maybe cut back a bit on the rdm itself.

If a guest leaves with a slay they will comeback and be slain the first round they are back. I think this is reminder enough from the previous play session and adding another slay in place of a warn will just make new players/guests that are fine not want to play.

On "accidental" things being tied to warns and bans. You can get indefinitely banned for "accidental" mass rdm (staff discretion for 2 weeks). If you accidentally leave your mic open enough times you can get warned and banned for mic spam. If you somehow "accidentally" say a slur or accidentally hit the wrong bind you still get warned. Lots of the appeals for pedophile jokes are saying that they accidentally broke the rule because they didn't know that making an Epstein joke was not allowed.

The accidental part is a factor of staff discretion and taken into consideration on appeal.

TLDR: I don't see this being a current problem that needs to be addressed. I apologize if the post seems a bit harsh, it really isn't that big of a deal one way or another and if the other admins disagree with me that's perfectly fine and we can change things up.

If the warn is to keep track of behaviour, then surely a zero point warn and an added extra slay would be an appropriate substitution?

[TDawg4]

Generally, this is just a non issue. I can understand that you don't like the current scheme as it is annoying with your job to ask someone before you dc or have to send a message later to explain, but there is a reason that we are not constantly having to remove rdm and leave warns.

I think saying 2 point warns stacked up are equivalent in moral weight to a pedophile joke is a misunderstanding of the warn system. No one is being treated or significantly differently for having a two point warn (not to call him out but I think BG had like a 6 pointer ghosting or teaming warn when getting staff?), like they did 1/4th a pedophile joke or 1/5th a harassment. The system just identifies things that we want to happen less and ties a consequence to it. If you are not a problematic player who breaks other rules, I personally see no difference from a 2 point warn and a 0 point warn. Getting 4 rdm leave warns in a month is really hard, I actually don't know anyone who has done it. If you somehow manage that a day ban is not that big of a deal, and your points will reset when the warns expire giving that much more room before hitting the next threshold. For those counting at home that would take 7 rdm and leave warns.

Something else to think about is that if you avoid rdming (breaking a rule) you never have to worry about an rdm and leave warn. Yes I understand that almost everyone does regularly, but if it is something you are doing so often that you are worried constantly about having to leave with a report open on you maybe cut back a bit on the rdm itself.

If a guest leaves with a slay they will comeback and be slain the first round they are back. I think this is reminder enough from the previous play session and adding another slay in place of a warn will just make new players/guests that are fine not want to play.

On "accidental" things being tied to warns and bans. You can get indefinitely banned for "accidental" mass rdm (staff discretion for 2 weeks). If you accidentally leave your mic open enough times you can get warned and banned for mic spam. If you somehow "accidentally" say a slur or accidentally hit the wrong bind you still get warned. Lots of the appeals for pedophile jokes are saying that they accidentally broke the rule because they didn't know that making an Epstein joke was not allowed.

The accidental part is a factor of staff discretion and taken into consideration on appeal.

TLDR: I don't see this being a current problem that needs to be addressed. I apologize if the post seems a bit harsh, it really isn't that big of a deal one way or another and if the other admins disagree with me that's perfectly fine and we can change things up.

If the warn is to keep track of behaviour, then surely a zero point warn and an added extra slay would be an appropriate substitution?

The old warn system was just to keep track of behavior with no set thresholds or consequences. The result was people getting like 50 warns with no consequences. Having a two point warn for rdm and leave does multiple things one of them is keeping track of behavior. I think throughout this thread and the MOTD thread I have described most of them and their benefits. Again, currently I don't see any significant downside with the current way we handle it and a number of upsides.

[茶 Tea]

before I forget by rdming someone you're basically doing the same to them.

i'm sorry, do you think the argument is that there should be no slays for rdm?

He’s saying that if you take someone’s round with RDM, you shouldn’t get the luxury of choosing when to get slain without also getting a couple warn points.

but you don't get to choose when to get slain; it's always the next round you try to play

So what if you choose your next round to be 1pm on a random Tuesday when there’s 1 other person on the server? Then your slay punishment only lasts ~30 seconds.

i'll make an exception for whatever no-lifer regularly logs in at 1pm on a tuesday only when they're getting slain

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some of you people are obsessed with punishment just for the slight half a chance you might punish the "right" guy (a guy who i doubt exists)