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01-29-2025, 10:31 AM
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How do you do, fellow Dinklers
I was looking at the MOTD discussion post, and don't think it's fair that RDM and Leave awards warn points. I know they fall off rather quickly, but people make mistakes and those extra points could mean the difference between a 24 hour ban, and a multiple day ban. For those who have a track record playing here, achieving the rank of Member, Master, or Regular means that they're a player that frequently comes back. Back in the day, when I played more, it happened to me more than once where I'd kill a player, not realize anything wrong, and have to leave with a pending report- without the opportunity to defend myself.
I mean even a few weeks ago, I was involved in a firefight and caught the wrong person in crossfire, received a report and slay for it, while I didn't have the time to defend myself. Thankfully I was able to post in the discord and let them know that I had to leave, but I logged on with a slay. This could have been warn points for me, and while I behave myself- I have a job that involves frequent on call time. In a few hour session I may have to log off immediately two-four times to go handle a work issue, with plans to be back ASAP after dealing with it.
If a guest gets and RDM and leave, they'll still log back in to a slay. If we extend that to an additional slay for an rdm and leave, I think it's a good opportunity to weed out some of the people who we really don't want to play on the server, where as a regular if I serve a two round slay I'm gonna shrug my shoulders and go make a snack while I wait it out.
I know warn points aren't all that serious, but they are still serious. They mark a player as a rule breaker, and I'm less opposed to the current action as I am to the principle of the thing- 4 RDM and Leaves equals a slur or pedophile joke, something I don't think should even be in the same category. Something that could easily happen completely on accident shouldn't end up on my record and it's not a category I want to be associated with.
Only wrote an essay cause I think any and all rule changes should be thought out and well explained.
TL;DR - Make RDM and Leave a Bonus slay. Stop giving warn points as they're in the same category as slurs and other worse behavior. RDM and leave can happen on accident. An extra slay will do more to prevent bad actors coming back than a slap on the wrist "warn."
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01-29-2025, 10:45 AM
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The main reason the rdm and leave warn exists is because back in the day staff could track people who did just exactly that since slays didn't persist after leaving and joining back meaning evading the slays given for whatever the person did, nowadays it seems kinda redundant since slays now persist no matter what, imo it's a bit outdated and should probably moved to a 0 point warn just for tracking purposes don't think it needs points attached even if they expire after a month.
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01-29-2025, 10:59 AM
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(01-29-2025, 10:45 AM)Brahma Wrote: The main reason the rdm and leave warn exists is so back in the day staff could track people who did just exactly that since slays didn't persist after leaving and joining back meaning evading the slays giving for whatever they did, nowadays it seems kinda redundant since slays now persist no matter what, imo it's a bit outdated and should probably moved to a 0 point warn just for tracking purposes don't think it needs points attached even if they expire after a month.
+1 in favor a 0 point warn if possible, as multiple RDM and leaves could constitute towards a Minge warn/ban.
Just weird to me that so many of the other things that award warn points are people actively being shitty people, when RDM and Leave can be a mistake. Multiple/mass RDM and leave should also be different.
Current Standards:
RDM x1 & Leave - 2 Point Warning.
RDM x2 & Leave - 1440 Minutes/One Day ban.
RDM x3+ & Leave (Not Mass) - 10,080 minutes/One Week ban.
Seems a little extreme to jump from 2 point warning, full day ban, full week ban.
My suggestions:
RDM x1 & Leave - 0 Point Official Warning, Extra Slay (could be accidental, hit em with a little extra spice)
RDM x2 & Leave - 4 Point Warn, 3 month expiration, Extra Slay per person (4 slay total) - (at this level, seems beyond coincidental, should get slapped with something)
RDM x3+ & Leave (Not Mass) - All slays doubled and 4320 Minute Ban (Three day ban, definitely not a coincidence)
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Can I remind everyone that we only chnaged RDM and Leave from being a day ban to be a warn maybe a year or so ago. (Now 2x rdm and leave is the day ban)
Also if you have issues with RDM and Leave warns, what about mic spamming warns? , warns for delaying, etc . Which
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(01-29-2025, 11:01 AM)chibill Wrote: Also if you have issues with RDM and Leave warns, what about mic spamming warns? , warns for delaying, etc . Which
Nope. I've only seen Mic Spamming and Delay warns given after verbal warnings against the behavior, means they're actively being a nuisance. In my opinion everything else on the list seems perfectly balanced.
Not in favor of anything that can be truly accidental being tied to warns and bans.
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One extra irl slay for people that RDM and leave is a great idea, I'm glad you thought of that and I am more than willing to implement this under your directive.
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(01-29-2025, 11:09 AM)bunniey Wrote: One extra irl slay for people that RDM and leave is a great idea, I'm glad you thought of that and I am more than willing to implement this under your directive. not the irl slay
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01-29-2025, 11:15 AM
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Thats because our guidelines allow for giving verbals before issuing those warns. (they dont have to be given.)
RDM and Leave however that is not allowed, additionally the warns do fall off, and leave us a record of RDM and Leaves to deal with the player is a pattern develops (Consistent RDM which is a perma)
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(01-29-2025, 11:04 AM)Market Down Wrote: (01-29-2025, 11:01 AM)chibill Wrote: Also if you have issues with RDM and Leave warns, what about mic spamming warns? , warns for delaying, etc . Which
Nope. I've only seen Mic Spamming and Delay warns given after verbal warnings against the behavior, means they're actively being a nuisance. In my opinion everything else on the list seems perfectly balanced.
Not in favor of anything that can be truly accidental being tied to warns and bans.
If it's an accident then most cases you'll be forgiven if not you can do @ and ask if it's okay to leave bc x reason if the staff member says you're good you'll just get the slay without the warn I've seen in it practice and tbh it does wonders.
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01-29-2025, 01:17 PM
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Generally, this is just a non issue. I can understand that you don't like the current scheme as it is annoying with your job to ask someone before you dc or have to send a message later to explain, but there is a reason that we are not constantly having to remove rdm and leave warns.
I think saying 2 point warns stacked up are equivalent in moral weight to a pedophile joke is a misunderstanding of the warn system. No one is being treated or significantly differently for having a two point warn (not to call him out but I think BG had like a 6 pointer ghosting or teaming warn when getting staff?), like they did 1/4th a pedophile joke or 1/5th a harassment. The system just identifies things that we want to happen less and ties a consequence to it. If you are not a problematic player who breaks other rules, I personally see no difference from a 2 point warn and a 0 point warn. Getting 4 rdm leave warns in a month is really hard, I actually don't know anyone who has done it. If you somehow manage that a day ban is not that big of a deal, and your points will reset when the warns expire giving that much more room before hitting the next threshold. For those counting at home that would take 7 rdm and leave warns.
Something else to think about is that if you avoid rdming (breaking a rule) you never have to worry about an rdm and leave warn. Yes I understand that almost everyone does regularly, but if it is something you are doing so often that you are worried constantly about having to leave with a report open on you maybe cut back a bit on the rdm itself.
If a guest leaves with a slay they will comeback and be slain the first round they are back. I think this is reminder enough from the previous play session and adding another slay in place of a warn will just make new players/guests that are fine not want to play.
On "accidental" things being tied to warns and bans. You can get indefinitely banned for "accidental" mass rdm (staff discretion for 2 weeks). If you accidentally leave your mic open enough times you can get warned and banned for mic spam. If you somehow "accidentally" say a slur or accidentally hit the wrong bind you still get warned. Lots of the appeals for pedophile jokes are saying that they accidentally broke the rule because they didn't know that making an Epstein joke was not allowed.
The accidental part is a factor of staff discretion and taken into consideration on appeal.
TLDR: I don't see this being a current problem that needs to be addressed. I apologize if the post seems a bit harsh, it really isn't that big of a deal one way or another and if the other admins disagree with me that's perfectly fine and we can change things up.
I have no genuine regrets. You lot can go fuck yourselves, I'm done being treated like a piece of shit in your servers. Every day I'm on it's 1rdm after the other and then I'm called every slur and name in the fucking book. Tell the others to go fucking die in a fire cause I am fucking over it. And when I try to do something about it, I'm the "staff abuser". nah go fuck yourselves
Listen I only have two things to say tiefling lesbian your a piece of shit and tdawg you take your job way to seriously and maybe you should get out of your mom's basement and shave your 30 year neck beard if y'all need I'm staff at myraid which is 100x better than this pile of garbage so good bye and FUCK ALL OF YOU
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