[Wilfry]

Dang theres a lot of replies to read on this thread.

[Ckg]

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1. Again, no, providing context to a situation is not attacking anyone.

2.The point isn't to make skullfire "look bad", it's to compare what i'm being accused of to the behavior of of other staff, including the person accusing me.

1. The issue with this is that no one but you brought up that situation, so yes you are providing context to a situation in the most general of terms.  However, you were the one who brought up that situation so that you could have a dick-measuring competition for who is a worse person.  This is what turns it into an attack.  The only purpose you bringing up that irrelevant situation and providing context.  Yes you are providing context to a situation, but that situation was brought up only to go after the characters of people.

2. I think this is what you are not getting. A staff application is a thread about you, not about others.  It is not to place to compare yourself to others, it is a place for you to show what qualities you have standing alone.  Also you know you are trying to make him/other staff look worse than you, that is the entire point of a comparison in this context, to make one side look better than the other. If you are not attempting to make him "look bad" outright, you are attempting to make him look bad/worse when in comparison with you.

If you were able to healthily take criticism you would be able to see why people have complaints about you and criticism, but you cannot and will not be able to until you learn to not make everything a comparison and instead focus on yourself and why you deserve the position, as opposed to why you think others do not.

[Wilfry]

After reading through your previous app and the replies on this one I do believe you have changed.  Though I strongly agree with what Ckg said.  

The Discord comment towards Birddog was a bit out of pocket. 

And the incident with quantum could be considered and oopsie(did not realized staff was on and took action or whatever reason you wanna give it).

But I think that what may be digging you deep is your way of responding.  It's okay to clarify things, but, you shouldn't go reply to every comment said to you.  Think before you say anything and if it sounds wrong in your head then don't say it since others may not like it.

My vote is +/-0. Good luck on the app

[Ckg]

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The same goes for birddog. The included examples are relevant to the context in which the joke was made, and were evidence in contrary to his claim that he never makes similar jokes, which is again relevant as it falsely implies there was no previously established precedent. As I have already said, the joke was over the line, but it was still made within specific context and was not a randomly occurring event that would have happened anywhere else.

Also IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT CONTEXT THE JOKE YOU MADE ABOUT BIRDDOG WAS IN. It is still wildly inappropriate and the context in which it was made is irrelevant. Trying to justify it by saying the part I highlighted in bold shows that you do not grasp that it was not ok at all.  You cannot and should not attempt to justify it in any way, just admit that you fucked up and do better.  But you cannot, because you are unable to accept the entirety of that fault onto yourself. No one forced you to make that joke, no one but you typed those letters on your keyboard and hit send.  The fact you aren't even able to admit 100% fault in the most clear of cases of wrong doing is more than enough to prove you are not ready for the role.

[tiefling lesbian]

1. The issue with this is that no one but you brought up that situation, so yes you are providing context to a situation in the most general of terms.  However, you were the one who brought up that situation so that you could have a dick-measuring competition for who is a worse person.  This is what turns it into an attack.  The only purpose you bringing up that irrelevant situation and providing context.  Yes you are providing context to a situation, but that situation was brought up only to go after the characters of people.

2. I think this is what you are not getting. A staff application is a thread about you, not about others.  It is not to place to compare yourself to others, it is a place for you to show what qualities you have standing alone.  Also you know you are trying to make him/other staff look worse than you, that is the entire point of a comparison in this context, to make one side look better than the other. If you are not attempting to make him "look bad" outright, you are attempting to make him look bad/worse when in comparison with you.

If you were able to healthily take criticism you would be able to see why people have complaints about you and criticism, but you cannot and will not be able to until you learn to not make everything a comparison and instead focus on yourself and why you deserve the position, as opposed to why you think others do not.

Again, it's a situation I brought up as a direct comparison to what I was being accused of, which is extremely relevant as it was an example of the normal accepted behavior of staff. It's not a "dick measuring contest", it's comparing the accused behavior to the norms of the server.

Yes, it's about me and my actions, but those actions do not happen in a vacuum. It's not about making anyone look "worse", it's about the precedent set by the actions of others, both within the larger scale of the server's norms and between specific people. Examples are not given to make someone look bad, but to show that something I am accused of is within the accepted norms of the server and how other staff behave on a regular basis in comparison to what I'm accused of, or to show context that was left out of the accusation. You are entirely trying to twist this into something it isn't.

Once again, I observably have taken criticism when it's honest and constructive. But again, I am within my right to show how my actions compare to those of existing staff and the norms of the server set by them.

At no point in this thread or the last have I mentioned anyone else not deserving their position. Every single example I've given regarding other staff is to illustrate behavior that is common amongst staff, with no further comment other than how my actions fare in comparison. Any inference you've made beyond that is your own.

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Also IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT CONTEXT THE JOKE YOU MADE ABOUT BIRDDOG WAS IN. It is still wildly inappropriate and the context in which it was made is irrelevant. Trying to justify it by saying the part I highlighted in bold shows that you do not grasp that it was not ok at all.  You cannot and should not attempt to justify it in any way, just admit that you fucked up and do better.  But you cannot, because you are unable to accept the entirety of that fault onto yourself. No one forced you to make that joke, no one but you typed those letters on your keyboard and hit send.  The fact you aren't even able to admit 100% fault in the most clear of cases of wrong doing is more than enough to prove you are not ready for the role.

Yes, I literally already said that it does not change the fact that it was still over the line. But the context still shows that it was an isolated incident that occurred under specific circumstances, not one that happened at random toward someone with no history of similar jokes as had been claimed. It's not about justification, it's about motive. The point wasn't that I wasn't at fault, the point was that the joke was made under the mistaken assumption that the person it was made toward wouldn't take it seriously rather than to emotionally harm. I accept full fault for making that mistake and crossing that line, but I'm still going to point out the distinction and that it wasn't a normal occurrence.

[lacer]

please people snip ur fucking replies or i will start posting about baller

[tiefling lesbian]

please people snip ur fucking replies or i will start posting about baller

idk how to get rid of the old quote boxes without breaking everything

[voidzz]

ckg stop making this 20 pages long challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[♥Chloe♥]

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[Ckg]

Again, it's a situation I brought up as a direct comparison to what I was being accused of, which is extremely relevant as it was an example of the normal accepted behavior of staff. It's not a "dick measuring contest", it's comparing the accused behavior to the norms of the server.

Yes, it's about me and my actions, but those actions do not happen in a vacuum. It's not about making anyone look "worse", it's about the precedent set by the actions of others, both within the larger scale of the server's norms and between specific people. Examples are not given to make someone look bad, but to show that something I am accused of is within the accepted norms of the server and how other staff behave on a regular basis in comparison to what I'm accused of, or to show context that was left out of the accusation. You are entirely trying to twist this into something it isn't.

Once again, I observably have taken criticism when it's honest and constructive. But again, I am within my right to show how my actions compare to those of existing staff and the norms of the server set by them.

At no point in this thread or the last have I mentioned anyone else not deserving their position. Every single example I've given regarding other staff is to illustrate behavior that is common amongst staff, with no further comment other than how my actions fare in comparison. Any inference you've made beyond that is your own.

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"From what I have seen you tend to start problems with other members and insert yourself in situations that have nothing to do with you. It is just what I have seen when I am on with you. I feel you need to chill out and instead of causing the issues just don’t start them."
This is what Skullfire said. This is a legitimate concern that he has brought up.

"It was simply one of many examples of staff behaving in a way that I feel goes beyond how I behave on the server."
This is you comparing, or as to use my terminology the "dick-measuring".

Just because you are within your rights does not mean it is an appropriate thing to bring up and argue about on a staff app.  The actions of other staff is NOT what you are judged, your own actions are.  You can compare all you want but it does not make it relevant or proper for the discussion.  What is important in determining the conduct of a staff member is not how other staff members act but the staff guidelines. You're trying to apply a "well they did this so I should be allowed to as well" way of thinking to your arguments, which is not productive at all.  This is why I say you are attacking people, because you shift the focus off of your actions and onto theirs.  You seem to think that it is the right thing to do on an app to see how your actions compare to other staff; you are wrong. If you think staff are acting improperly then make a different thread to discuss it, don't use this one.

When Skullfire said: "I got nothing really recent (meaning the past week or 2) as I have not been able to play as much due to a move but besides that whatever others have done really have nothing to do with this app. ", you could have easily just replied: "that because there are no recent incidents," thereby addressing his concerns and ending that thread quickly and easily.  But you didn't do that, you thought it was more appropriate to start a comparison between you and some staff members saying "but what they did is worse" rather than addressing the concerns that Skullfire brought up in the first place. 

You had 2 options and you chose the one that would lead to more conflict, more "comparison", and more strife.  This is why I am saying you are not fit to staff, because when push comes to shove you will pick the option that will cause more shit so that you in "comparison" might look better than those you are opposed to.