[Penjamin Danklin]

Offender's Name: Super Milk Chan

Offender's SteamID: N/A

What Server(s): Prop hunt

Offender's Rank: prop hunt admin i am assuming

What They Did: Ineffedctive enforcement of clearly stated server rules

I am getting so incredibly tired of joining the prop hunt server and being subjected to copious amounts of racism, homophobia, antisemetic whatever flavor of trolling it is of the day every single time i enter the server, when i submit a complaint this admin just brushes everything off and says that its just better to wait for someone to say something when thats not how it should work.  it is clearly stated every time you load into a map RULE 4 NO BIGOTRY but when someone start engaging in that sort of behavior they get gagged for one round and then nothing else happens, this is now the third day in a row that this has happened with the same people.  but all that happens is they get a slap on the wrist and go on with their day.  i dont want to have to screen record and gather evidence every single time i load into the server to enjoy a game of prop hunt.  when confronted directly milk chan tells me to mute the voice chat but what does that solve other than now i dont have to hear racist stuff but every single other random person who joins does, milk tells me im mini modding when i complain about this issue.  ive about had it, not to mention milk literally ghosted me the other day but i  really dont care about that but this admin clearly has no interest in stopping the racist behavior and bigotry unless someone complains about it and when they do nothing gets done about it, a one round gag for people who are literally asking over voice chat what everybody's favorite slurs are is insane behavior.  
When They Did It: all of the time but most recently today.  

Potential Witnesses: everyone in the server at the time as well as the video posted in the prop hunt discord which as of right now is still up but if for whatever reason it gets taken down i have it available to resend on discord

Proof (You must have VIDEO and/or Multiple Screenshots as proof*): attached is a screenshot of the players on the server at the time and how long they had been connected to the server

[Jammin]

Your message here implies that you screen recorded at least one instance of this. Would you care to share?

[Penjamin Danklin]

As stated before yes there was a gag but such a short gag for something like this is nuts, you may as well have done nothing, this is very clearly not a one off behavior by the offenders, there is no situation where someone in a server where literally before every map you see NO BIGOTRY  should just be casually saying oh hey whats everybody's favorite racial slur then spouting off a bunch of them.  But that's not even my only problem, this admin the other day ghosted my hiding spot then I was immediately killed by the person they gave a hint to which also is a rule thats posted.  Idk, maybe im just crazy i guess.  Im not even that pressed about the ghosting but the fact that someone can just start discussing their favorite racial slurs and start listing off examples and only get a 1 round hell even a 24 hour gag seems like not enough, that should be an instant ban imo.  Or maybe the no bigotry rule just needs to be removed.  I dont have the time or energy to keep recording and reporting it when it happens but I also dont feel like I should have to mute half the people in the game just to enjoy some prop hunt.  And again I want to be clear no action was taken until I started complaining in general the other day.  Which is the problem, I get okay letting SOME things slide if they arent really bothering anyone but letting people throw around slurs until someone complains but situations like this should not be tolerated in any capacity reguardless of how frequently they occur.  There doesn't seem to be a line.  

As someone who is on all the time. I have never seen anything like this happen without either a gag warning or gag. After watching the video it seems people reacted but no harm was done and while yes it was technically a rule break the conversation wasnt immediately hurting anyone or noone spoke out against it. This might not have gone unnoticed if someone had pointed it out. As someone who sometimes leaves to go do something for lengths of time and not also dealing with staff things. it is entirely possible they were busy doing other things and did not hear it especially as one of the only moderaters on recently. i appreciate you looking out for people penjamin however i think this a bit of an extreme measure. Edit especially considering they were apparently gagged for this after checking with your post and on the discord if they were gagged then it seems that there was action taken against it and was not ignored.

[chibill]

So I am only a TTT admin but maybe read the PH Staff Guidelines and see that everything was done by the book. https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...p?tid=9611

Additionally have you read the actual rules for PH and not just the load in screen? https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...p?tid=6815

[Penjamin Danklin]

So I am only a TTT admin but maybe read the PH Staff Guidelines and see that everything was done by the book. https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...p?tid=9611

Additionally have you read the actual rules for PH and not just the load in screen? https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...p?tid=6815

[Super Milk Chan]

Don't let the door mute you on the way out.

[chibill]

So I am only a TTT admin but maybe read the PH Staff Guidelines and see that everything was done by the book. https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...p?tid=9611

Additionally have you read the actual rules for PH and not just the load in screen? https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...p?tid=6815

You literally complained about how the rules are enforced without reading the rules or the guide to staff on how to enforce them, you have been playing on steam since 2011 (provided your not some young kid playing on a parents account), you lived thru the worst of the internet and you somehow have issues with this, where people actually get punished for slurring compared to back in the hay day of online gaming, I really don't get it.

[茶 Tea]

So I am only a TTT trusted but it's kinda crazy in your server for children where you can't "excessively curse", "talk about OVERLY sexual things", or "talk about politics or religion", the punishment for slurs is so lax. why is it the same punishment for saying 50 racial slurs as it is to say, e.g., genocide joe can lick my cock and balls? i guess prophunt follows the pewdiepie guidebook for child-friendly behavior https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...p?tid=6815

[Super Milk Chan]

So I am only a TTT trusted but it's kinda crazy in your server for children where you can't "excessively curse", "talk about OVERLY sexual things", or "talk about politics or religion", the punishment for slurs is so lax. why is it the same punishment for saying 50 racial slurs as it is to say, e.g., genocide joe can lick my cock and balls? i guess prophunt follows the pewdiepie guidebook for child-friendly behavior https://www.dinklebergsgmod.com/site/sho...p?tid=6815

It's actually the same as TTT. There is a basic guide line to assist staff in decision making, but is not a be all and end all in final actions; especially once in a community leading position such as moderator and above. Ultimately it comes down to circumstances, and you will often find that the punishments my moderator's and I dish out, are more harsh then that you would see from a trusted/test mod. However sometimes it can be more lax, the reason for this community building. It’s not to particularly hard to spot when someone's on just to be a problem for the fun of it, or when someone simply makes mistakes/are a little rough around the edges. One you want to get rid of and the other you seek to work with in order to keep them around.

There is more that I would address if I could. However, in the most good faith way possible. I can only describe what you are saying as uninformed, and a little unfocused.

This is supposed to be about whether or not I abused my possession or power, not a complaint board on whether or not you agree with the rules. The rules that yes I do agree need to change a little, but at this current time the most definitive and clear rendition of the rules and guidelines were written by TheUltraFish, and is the copy we use at the time of making this post.

The argument about kids is just silly. As someone who plays PH and TTT, I see just about the same number of young audience playing on TTT as I do on PH. Everybody knows that when a kid makes themselves known in a voice chat, you handle it like an adult, by avoiding inappropriate topics and not being strange/rude to the kid; and you take problem with the adults who just can't seem to handle that. Just over all a bad a bad fath point in my opinion.

You said that you are a TTT trusted, but I don't see the roles on the forums. After I double check, I will fix that for you.
Nvm I don't see you as staff anywhere. I think you mean that, you're a regular.

[茶 Tea]

However sometimes it can be more lax, the reason for this community building. It’s not to particularly
hard to spot when someone's on just to be a problem for the fun of it, or when someone simply makes mistakes/are a little rough around the edges. One you want to get rid
of and the other you seek to work with in order to keep them around.

you will never see me complain about the rules of this community being too lax. i'm not worried about particular cases or whatever, or even in making things harsher for whatever, just the overall sense that the community's priorities are upside-down. see for example the ttt rule change because one mod no one even liked crashed out about not being allowed to say the n word

This is supposed to be about whether or not I abused my possession or power, not a complaint board on whether or not you agree with the rules. The rules that yes I do agree need to change a little, but at this current time the most definitive and clear rendition of the rules and guidelines were written by TheUltraFish, and is the copy we use at the time of making this post.

yeah maybe that's what this forum is but it's pretty clear by now the original post had little to do with you personally. the rules are clear enough, as chibill pointed out

The argument about kids is just silly. As someone who plays PH and TTT, I see just about the same number of young audience playing on TTT as I do on PH. Everybody knows that when a kid makes themselves known in a voice chat, you handle it like an adult, by avoiding inappropriate topics and not being strange/rude to the kid; and you take problem with the adults who just can't seem to handle that. Just over all a bad a bad fath point in my opinion.

prop hunt people have always told me that the aim is to be a little more kid-friendly. that was my understanding as to why you don't say "minge" in your server and why you have a ban on "excessive swearing". is this wrong?

You said that you are a TTT trusted, but I don't see the roles on the forums. After I double check, I will fix that for you.
Nvm I don't see you as staff anywhere. I think you mean that, you're a regular.

no i just haven't gotten my role yet