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Except for the simple fact that they never punished her for such actions and continued to ignore them. If she had been punished for such actions it would then make sense for the Perma ban. however she again only has one ban and saying they are quidelines and not be all rules is just a fancy way of saying there are rules but we make them up as we go. There was a similar situation that the exact same thing was said yet in that situation it was stated they had to follow the guidelines with Chellmen even copy pasting the punishments and quoting the way it should be handled. Again its not fair to use past things that had been known but were chosen to be ignored, As it brings up the issue of getting evidence towards someone and not caring until they do something you dont like and now want them gone, or just downright blackmailing someone. Yes i know thats a extreme case and thing to say but its vary much a possibility, even more so when we have cases of not so child friendly things that have happened in the past on this server as a whole. not saying thats the case here but its a vary easy thing to manipulate.

But if yall want to continue to punish how yall feel and guidelines be damned then so be it, but i still believe you should not be using things she was never punished for as any bases to make this offense worse. If you wanted to start punishing her for the rude behavior now then fine and fair. but yall again chose to ignore it just as yall chose to ignore the RDMs the staff have done even when they were unwanted. so if her unpunished rule breaks were to be counted then why is it only hers? I never wanted to bring up the fact that staff have broken the same rules they are supposed to follow, however if her past that was ignored and nows not then where is the bans for many of the staff, and many of the regulars on the server. I dont imagine they will ever come, and bringing up what was ignored just seems like a attempt to justify skipping the rules punishments for what? Ive seen many times in the past of people being unbanned from a perma ban due to "Changing" and there past offense ignored. If actual legit bans are being dismissed then why is it fair for Phantom to be punished for things shes done that yall never did anything about. How can she begin to change that behavior if yall just kept letting it slide. How can she get better are controlling her temper if yall just enabled the behavior. If she was such a issue that yall claim you should have done something then and not using it now to make this punishment worse. I agree she should be punished, she agrees as well, but not with a perma but with how the guides say its should be handled. Telling her she needs a break is no ones business but her own, only she can decide that for herself. I dont see myself getting told i need a break even tho i play just as much if not more then phantom, i dont see many PH players getting told this either. So its a vary weird thing to constantly bring up as it has no importance to the rule thats been broken.

Telling someone to kill themselves is not listed as something thats not tolerated just something thats punished. racism is the only one thats listed in red if i recall correctly. Maybe change the rules to fit how you want it punished, but as they stand this is not perma banable by any case, this was not even a severe case pretty mild. Now that brings into the question of the they are only guides and we dont have to follow them or so thats how i understand what you are saying. Then there is no bases for admin abuse when it comes to bans, they can just claim that they thought it was severe enough to them, as it would be going off the opinion of a mod to mod bases and not a set guide of rules, harassment is not pixel hunting in PH so there should be no opinion to opinion bases here, or to give a closer example RDM and how its not punished if the two people dont care and are friends, to which i think should be written down and made concrete. I mean i always read them as a set guide of rules to be followed by everyone including staff. and if the staff can just go and do as they please when it comes to punishment then that needs changed. I dont think the rules and the punishments for breaking them were ever created for the mods to just twist to their own liking. Rules are rules and punishments are punishments, and i believe they should be followed. However i do think rules can be changed and are not without fault but thats another thread itself and i wont go into detail on that here.

Im not saying phantom is innocent, what she did was wrong and she knows that and feels bad enough about it already. However i do believe this should be reduced to a week ban.

I'm gonna make this as quick as possible. 1, you cannot see staff chat, and you do not know if and how she's been punished. She has been slayed warned, etc. RDM 4 times is a week ban, and while I don't know why she didn't serve the week ban, she did serve the 24 hour. Her actions were NOT ignored, and she had many chances to stop. Even if they were, she should know not to be breaking the rules as she not only knows the rules, she has also seen many times them be enforced "I never wanted to bring up the fact that staff have broken the same rules they are supposed to follow" could you PLEASE provide evidence? I myself have accidentally rdm'ed once or twice, but that is about it. I'm not gonna ban myself when I have people to deal with. "Ive seen many times in the past of people being unbanned from a perma ban due to "Changing" and there past offense ignored" almost always they are unbanned due to the fact that the ban was old, or that we actually know they changed, and are better now. If they happen to break the rules again, they will be immediately permabanned again. "How can she get better are controlling her temper if yall just enabled the behavior" again, we need proof of this. Nothing can be done if no proof is given. We are NOT telling phan to take a break because she plays a lot, we are telling her that because she gets angered over small things, which leads to her being rude to other players (just like in the video august showed). "Telling someone to kill themselves is not listed as something thats not tolerated just something thats punished. racism is the only one thats listed in red if i recall correctly." I do not see your point. In every dinks server telling someone to kill themselves has been something that is punished more harshly than other harassment rules. This is a VERY known thing. Also, suicide is listed under the "Limit and/or avoid sensitive topics" rule, and while I agree it should be more stated, it is still there and is more severely punished. "they are only guides and we dont have to follow them or so thats how i understand what you are saying." That is not what laced said. The guidelines are to guide staff on how to deal with situations as he said, but if the rule breaking is more severe then punishments can be escalated faster (ex: someone says a slur once, they will be gagged/muted, but if they spam that slur, chances are they are going to get banned). This is why in many of the guidelines it says "ban based on severity of situation." "Then there is no bases for admin abuse when it comes to bans, they can just claim that they thought it was severe enough to them, as it would be going off the opinion of a mod to mod bases and not a set guide of rules." This is not true. Not only is that mod/admin going to have to show proof if that player makes an unban/staff abuse report, they still have to follow the guidelines and rules if it is not severe enough. "harassment is not pixel hunting in PH so there should be no opinion to opinion bases here" I do not see how this matters. The guidelines and rules is something everyone, staff included, have to follow. NO one is twisted the rules and punishments. Phan broke multiple rules and her ban was escalated to a permaban.

Where are the bans, if you read my last comment you would vary much know thats mainly what i mean. So its a fact that if they were ban worthy the bans went ignored, fault of you staff alone. Being listed does not make this go to a perma ban it goes to a week ban. she was not punished for the past week ban because false and norm agreed. Its strange she would go from One ban to a week ban for ghosting that was proven false. to that being gone to now actually breaking a rule and it going straight past the week ban she should be getting. You can keep trying to justify it all you want but its it a over step.
Carson you yourself have RDMed me multiple times not just a few, and thats not counting the others to other people, but i never record so i dont have it as its not a gun rdm so fair enough. prolly only got 1 for levi, Norms RDMs towards me were at the start when i first started playing and did not know the rules. Slayed warned ect... for what exactly the RDMs that happened ages ago that have yet to happen to randoms since? Warnings mean nothing if you choose not to punish for the act. Warnings then punishment then ban is again in the rules that yall choose to follow when you feel like it. NOT GONNA BAN MYSELF WHEN I GOT PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH... then dont rdm.
Phantom broke multiple rules as yall say but you never punished for them as in a ban. you failed to punish and are now taking it out on this issue, the rules never stated that Saying to kill yourself is a huge offense as it would be in the TELLING PLAYERS TO DO INAPPROPRIATE THINGS. Its not listed as a no tolerance thing like racism is specifically pointed out to be. This is again yall twisting the rules to your liking. If you want it to be punished like you say then it needs to be in the rules. and as far as what i said about yall doing as you please regarding going around punishments its vary much true, and vary clearly implied by his statement. and yes it is opinion to opinion base, as i pointed out this case is not severe as what you see in the video is all that happened nothing more nothing less, rules state its not a no tolerance thing either.
Limit suicide talks does not mean no suicide talsk so that rule is pointless to bring up and was not broken. the only rule here broken is harassment. Of which again is not listed as a non tolerance issue, regardless if its known or not its still not part of the rules, change it if you dont like it, but if you as you say are all supposed to follow the rules then follow them.
ill keep saying it regardless if you think it wasnt, You all ignored and refused to give the proper punishments when it happend in the past. You supposedly gave a warning, and slays but no bans meaning what exactly... my guess not enough for a ban or else yall would have done so by now, as you were not against banning her for ghosting which she never actually did. again the guidelines state if she had been warned like you say, then she is again only at a week ban. But yall continue to defend a unjust ban, proving yall dont care about following the guidelines yall expect everyone else to follow. You are taking things done in the past that if they happened as you said, should be ban worthy but chose not to punish for it and drag it into this making it worse. You already chose not to do anything about it then and now are backtracking on it. Punish it when it happens not weeks later, or months later. Im on when phantom is on, i know how she acts, and i know who gets the blunt of it and that being me and i dont really care as its a back and fourth like we all once had.
Follow the guideline or dont, dont be a hypocrite and claim to be following them when you are clearly not.