[Misstie6731]

He had no obligation to tell you about it, he was NOT STAFF. He had no obligation to say anything about it. It wasn't his fault the guidelines were left open to edits (Which tbh the edits were fire don't deny it). This isn't even that big of a deal, it was a little prank, the rules were easily restored once people knew what was going on. Mountains out of molehills or whatever the saying is.

[chapman]

Okay so listen... The Staff Guidelines thing was harmless in all seriousness. All that had to be done was Control Z and Changing perms. We got carried away with doing a stupid bit and it was found out and stopped.

I would appreciate it if I stopped being quoted on this thread for explaining that. I personally feel as if that this is really being blown out of proportion and should be settled in DMs privately between the two of you.

[tiefling lesbian]

Are you seriously this obtuse? When I said "i only found out about everything today" that was referring to WHO did WHAT. Not "oh i didn't know about it happening at all until the day after". I was told by David DURING THE TOURNAMENT AFTER The people who messed with it messed with it. For you to continue to claim that I knew about it while it was happening is not only dishonest on your part but continuing to call me a liar is straight up harassment. You are wrong here, and are once again purposefully misconstruing my words.

No, once again, you very explicitly claimed to have not been told about it while it was happening, which was a lie. Chapman literally confirmed in this thread that he was still editing it after telling you about it, and it was still being vandalized when I spotted it hours later.

Oh and here's the full screenshot of our conversation there since you like to snip out the full context, where you can see I was in fact telling you what i know about the events that happened.

Except I literally posted the full conversation earlier in the thread?

Why stop there? Here's the full second account of you pressing me about something I clearly didn't know enough about for you

Yes, once again, after being told that you were told directly about it while it was happening.

Please note, I made it very clear I didn't do anything with the guidelines vandalism and asked you to leave it at that.

Yes, and once again I dropped it after that until YOU approached ME.

But guess what? You just kept harassing me about it for a 3rd time!

Yes, once again I gave you my opinion on the matter after YOU approached ME asking for my opinion, which you've conveniently cropped out of your screenshot in yet another case of hypocrisy. Calling being confronted about your lie "harassment" is a wild and dishonest framing of events to make yourself look like a victim.

You even revealed to me you saw who was in the call (guess who isn't in the call, it's me!)

I have never accused you of being directly involved in the vandalism, I have only ever talked about you concealing and lying about being told about it.

as well as knowing about kessler using the !p command to talk about it to other people on server.

You can literally see me saying that's not the case in your screenshot, that is your own assumption.

So, I am once again stating that you are making personal attacks against me with your claims, and you are clearly not taking your position as admin as someone who is unbiased and not fueled by your own personal vendettas. 

Shame on you for spinning things the way you have.

Brother, you literally made an 18 page google doc of false accusations and personal attacks against me and continue to do so in this very post. If me telling the truth is a "personal attack against you", that's on you.

[chapman]

Its time to lay this thread to rest until the admins can deliberate. 17 pages of opinions is more than enough to keep the admin team busy for a few weeks. At this point the arguments are moving in circles.

I'm going to quote Ryan on this. @Ryan722 I hate to be pinging you for this but could you please lock this? It's no longer being a productive discussion and the arguments are continuing to move in circles.

[RussEfarmer]

even if foxka approached tief about something first why is foxka getting bugged multiple times over 2 weeks over a damn piece of paper
leaving that shit unlocked was purely an admin skill issue and it should have been left at that

I made a comment about overstaffing earlier, this is an excellent example, although this is not an issue specific to tief in any way

[tiefling lesbian]

even if foxka approached tief about something first why is foxka getting bugged multiple times over 2 weeks over a damn piece of paper
leaving that shit unlocked was purely an admin skill issue and it should have been left at that

I briefly asked you about it in my initial investigation as you were one of several names brought up, said thanks and was on my way. I briefly asked you about it a 2nd time after you were specifically name dropped about having been told about it while it was happening, in which you lied (again) about being told about it while it was happening, but you said you didn't want to be involved so I dropped it. I didn't bring it up again until YOU approached ME for my opinion, which I gave you.

Concealing rule breaking that you were directly informed about is relevant feedback for potential staff. I asked for clarification as they had previously refused to give an honest answer.

[RussEfarmer]

even if foxka approached tief about something first why is foxka getting bugged multiple times over 2 weeks over a damn piece of paper
leaving that shit unlocked was purely an admin skill issue and it should have been left at that

I briefly asked you about it in my initial investigation as you were one of several names brought up, said thanks and was on my way. I briefly asked you about it a 2nd time after you were specifically name dropped about having been told about it while it was happening, in which you lied (again) about being told about it while it was happening, but you said you didn't want to be involved so I dropped it. I didn't bring it up again until YOU approached ME for my opinion, which I gave you.

Concealing rule breaking that you were directly informed about is relevant feedback for potential staff. I asked for clarification as they had previously refused to give an honest answer.

This is valid, but I dispute that editing the guidelines constituted any major rule break and not it being just a harmless prank. Again, an example of overstaffing. Overstaffing is subjective though obviously.

[Ryan722]

Honestly don't feel like this has gotten too out of hand, but agree with arguments becoming pretty circular. Genuine thanks to those who gave insightful responses and kept the thread on the rails.

Regarding the topic of the thread: the admins will be discussing and we'll get back with a response. Rest assured that all evidence will be considered, addressed, and used to come to a decision. If you have additional concerns, comments, evidence, w/e, feel free to reach out to an admin directly.

[TDawg4]

This issue has been resolved and no action will be taken. To be clear any action for an issue with an admin is likely to be demotion or nothing just due to the nature of the position. This result is not to say that none of the claims have any merit at all, but to say that in their totality or individually none of them qualify for demotion. Certain aspects of this claim will continue to be considered if future issues arise.

There has been no evidence to demonstrate that Tiefling is leaking admin or staff chat. Staff are generally allowed to complain about and make fun of people in their own spaces (private servers).
Old messages can be considered as far as intent now, but these messages have already been litigated for Tief's Admin app.
All the other issues really can be resolved by more diligence and communication across the whole admin team, and possibly more consideration from Tiefling for what type of issues reach the severity of needing to pull information from outside servers.

Something to remember is the greater context of the original thread. Times were pretty crazy and claims were flying all over the place. Much like other threads at the time it is easy to lump things together into one big pile. Yes its more than the sum of its parts, but you still need some really strong parts to make a strong claim. The strongest parts in this claim are all hearsay and cannot be proven.

We apologize for the delay in handling this issue, but the Admin team as been a little unstable (people leaving and joining) and the correct answer was not immediately clear. Other issues were considered to be more important so this response has been pushed back to now.

The thread will remain closed. Any questions can be sent to me in dms, but you are likely to be disappointed (very boring answers).