[Raider Hanks]

I do not have evidence of this, but I'm hoping Shaye will acknowledge this occurrence due to general honesty. Yesterday, you went out of the bounds of Casino. I politely asked you to get back in and you did. You then went back on the other side. You did not want to go back due to the T's attempting to kill you as you returned. This is slightly understandable, but still out of bounds. You then temporarily hid behind a part where no one could reach you, unless they also grappled out of the map. This happened only that once, but how do you feel that reflects upon your attitude? You were asked to get back in bounds, and you did, but you then went right back and even temporarily used it to your advantage.

[La Flama Blanca]

I'm going to go ahead and take some of the blame for this unpleasant result.

I am on the server quite frequently with Shaye, and if I'm completely honest, I can maybe think of one time where I have gagged Shaye and I can't even remember the reason.

There are a lot more toxic people on the server than shaye but they get away with it. As Stuppidy said There is no consistency and it is frustrating. Its the inconsistency that make people say ASAB (yes I realize people say it to troll too) or make people just up and leave. 

+1 to a revision of the rules and punishments for said rules and for every staff to punish for said rules equally and not be wishy washy.

What FX mentioned in a previous post is great in theory. But in reality, it simply doesn't work. No amount of extra procedural guidance through updated rules and punishment codes are going to change things in any substantive manner.

I don't disagree that there is inconsistency with what I will just clump together as "moderating" on the server. But each staff member is a separate individual, not a robot coded to moderate exactly the same.

For example, I tend to be pretty tolerant and would likely define mic spam differently than other staff members. While some staff members might gag after the first bonk, I will verbally warn said player if I believe it's getting excessive or disrupting gameplay. Now I suppose we could try to define micspam (which has been attempted), but it's always going to be a judgment call for the staff member on what will constitute a "disruption" or "excessive." It's based on individual tolerance, professional judgment, and even things going beyond the objective a staff member's mood or past experience with the malfeasant.

And let me return to the issue at hand, Shaye's unban.

When I have been on with Shaye, I have not found his behavior to be "excessive" or reaching a level which would constitute a "disruption." As a result, I have hardly doled out punishments to him in the forms of gags or mutes. This, in turn, may have created a situation where Shaye believed his actions to be within the scope of the accepted behavior on the server. And that's on me for, I suppose, "leading him on."

I was, of course, myself unaware that his behavior was considered to be so outside the scope of accepted behavior, however, that it would result in a week long ban. If I was aware, I probably would have pm'ed him on Discord to let him know that he should cool it down a little. However, there arises another issue, walking the thin line of giving a casual warning which might be brushed off or "leaking staff chat" by emphasizing the importance of adjusting one's behavior to avoid the threat of a ban.

Now I suppose that the day long ban was thought to have put Shaye "on notice" for his behavior. I am not sure what the warning was that was given to Shaye, however, and the level of detail that it may have included. Because of this lack of information at present, I will not speak further on this point.

I believe that the underlying behavior that resulted in Shaye's ultimate ban was the repeated use of the phrase "ASAB" in both verbal and text chat. I generally just ignore this phrase when it comes up, whether that be from Shaye or other individuals. To me, it's clearly a joke and a play on the phrase "ACAB" that emerged over the summer in response to policing issues in POC communities. I suppose that it could be construed as disrespectful to staff, and that's certainly a reasonable interpretation based on what that acronym stands for. As a staff member myself, I care less about others respecting me and more so about them respecting other players. I can handle any virtual insult hurled at me, and the only respect I ask for is that when I hand out a gag/mute/slay that my decision will be accepted as proper result.

Now to the other issues in the unban. Unmuting/ungagging oneself when given said punishment by a staff member is clearly wrong. I may have missed the unmute that you mentioned, but the proper solution would have been to just send a message in admin chat if it seemed like I had forgotten. I believe the !donate page mentions this, but there are donor guidelines which do state that donors are not to be unmuting/ungagging themselves.

In sum, I believe that there was an abuse of donor here. I do not believe the toxicity ban is justified. I do not believe a week ban for abuse of donor is appropriate. There might need to be better communication between an individual on the verge of a "toxicity" ban and upper staff to ensure that the individual is adequately aware of the risks that are associated with the continuance of certain behavior.

[Cactus]

I do not have evidence of this, but I'm hoping Shaye will acknowledge this occurrence due to general honesty. Yesterday, you went out of the bounds of Casino. I politely asked you to get back in and you did. You then went back on the other side. You did not want to go back due to the T's attempting to kill you as you returned. This is slightly understandable, but still out of bounds. You then temporarily hid behind a part where no one could reach you, unless they also grappled out of the map. This happened only that once, but how do you feel that reflects upon your attitude? You were asked to get back in bounds, and you did, but you then went right back and even temporarily used it to your advantage.

I think I do have bits of this recorded from last night, I left my obs on so as long as I was tabbed in it was going and I definitely saw him grapple out of the map. Will double check when I am home.

[dong]

https://imgur.com/a/HI9h152 is the album with the 14 screenshots I have of you, people can pitch in more. Also, let's not try to bash individuals as that won't help at all. Stop referring to staff in general as "Admins" there are two admins: Nicol and myself.

[JesseTheUndeadCowboy]

Unless I’m missing something dong I only see instance that could classify as shaye being toxic. Now for those gags on hi and blank I do remember those two micspamming im pretty sure. I don’t know if I have it recorded though. Kizzy I think said the n word in voice chat with the hard er. Don’t know if I have evidence of that either though. Take what I said here with a grain of salt I guess unless I find out I have demos/evidence of these events. Also if asab is the toxic part then everyone should treat it as such, by not letting others spam it in chat like I’ve seen happen.

[dong]

Main point being that Shaye was warned 2 days ago and banned for donor abuse. If there's evidence to corroborate the 2 "legitimate" gags then post them, but the fact is that there is still donor abuse included. ASAB chat spam will and should be handled. I'm not other staff and they're not me, so I can't really speak on that.

[Nicol Bolas]

More evidence, including toxicity via discord and the admin warning gave for abusing 2 days ago (along with the evidence for that abuse that granted him the warning): http://imgur.com/a/iXXLXKB

[JesseTheUndeadCowboy]

Ok now some of that stuff that Shaye said in Nicol’s post can definitely classify as being toxic. I’m still trying to see if I have the video evidence of hi and blank micspamming and shaye gagging them for it. I can’t remember at what time it happened so it’s going slow. But for the unmuting/ungaging themselves after staff or someone gag/mutes them for a legit reason, that is also abuse on Shaye’s part. You shouldn’t unmute/ungag yourself after you are punished for a legit reason. Even if I do find the evidence for Shaye gagging hi and blank for micspam. I would still would -1 due to all the stuff happening and I really think Shaye should wait a little bit to come back. Hopefully I don’t upset anyone with this but I just believe it probably wouldn’t help Shaye to be on the server during all this chaos, especially if she helps contributes to it sometimes out of influence of friends or her own accord I don’t know. I just think this might be the best course of action so when she does come back hopefully she won’t contribute to these problems as much. Sorry for the long message btw.

[BuZZ]

I'm going to compile everything into imgur albums in the morning, but Shaye received a warning via dms saying that if the abuse of power continued the rank would be stripped. This ban isn't solely for abuse though, as you can see "toxicity" is also included. A one week ban was issued following the day ban because it takes time for the rank to be removed. Those bans are usually permanent length until the rank is removed, but this one is one week including the toxicity.

And no, toxicity is not tolerated, whether or not staff with ban perms have been punishing for that is a different subject for a different day. Would also like to add that just because you don't see something happen doesn't mean that it isn't an occurrence.

Admins can also see what you delete, so I'm not quite sure why you'd comment ASAB knowing that it is an issue that staff are facing.

-snip-

Different thread for a different time but I feel I should address some of these things.
Staff discretion is in place because people try to slide past the rules, very similar to exploiting, simply because something isn't directly stated, I agree there is a bit too much but I just work with what I'm given. I try to be stricter and punish equally but every time I do a great many of you in this very thread scream asab and harass the hell out of us. Take killbot for example. Sorry for derailing but I feel very strongly about this asab "joke" to the point its become a way to harass the staff. I'm not a robot who manages a server I'm a person with emotions and hardships just like you all sitting at my computer desk trying to play a game. 
Anyways shaye joins this train too much and has even straight up yelled at me especially during the killbot fiasco so I dont want someone back who's just gonna keep disrespecting me and my peers. I want him to serve his time and hopefully learn from it.

These (directed at bolded) are fair but I also think it's fair to say that the subject of asab is a different problem for a different place. The use of it is abundant, unpunished and seems to be more than acceptable. In my opinion it would be unfair to let the participitation in this asab "joke" and the issues that it may or may not have be relevent to Shaye's ban or appeal. To be clear, it's not a mindset or behavior that I'm a fan of either.

-snip-

In sum, I believe that there was an abuse of donor here. I do not believe the toxicity ban is justified. I do not believe a week ban for abuse of donor is appropriate. There might need to be better communication between an individual on the verge of a "toxicity" ban and upper staff to ensure that the individual is adequately aware of the risks that are associated with the continuance of certain behavior.

This perfectly expresses my view. Very well worded post in general Prince Nicky <3 +1 for reduction to whenever abuse of donor situation is figured out, whatever that may be (I'm assuming it already has been though).

[stewped]

Shaye abused his donor and was banned a day. He abused his donor and was banned again. It makes sense. There is toxicity listed as a reason to the ban. Which is why I addressed toxicity/trolling as donor abuse seemed pretty straight forward. It isn't a Shaye problem, it's a server problem.

   Killbot is a wonderful example. Even though it's clearly defined and he was being punished. The problem was with other people not being punished accordingly. They bullied Burd and mic spammed with no punishment. Toxicity is prevalent in the server and it goes unchecked.



   ASAB is a joke at admin and moderator's expense of course. I have been paying attention to some expressing that you genuinely dislike this phrase (only in the last couple days not that you liked it to begin with). It's not ASAB that is the problem. ASAB started after GCubed's ban because of "injustice." Everyone who wasn't involved is just a sheep who wants to be part of the group. Now that everyone is saying ASAB. It is clearly used by the masses to incite staff. Everyone deserves to play. Moderators and Admins are an essential part of servers.


   Raider Hanks, you self proclaimed you were a racist in voice chat on the server. In which people now call you a racist. I thought this was annoying for you to say. Everyday, guest - staff, use slurs on the server. Saying everyone grapple exploits is not a reason for Shaye to do it. Once again this is a server problem that no one punishes for (except Battons). I've even had to kill myself because people were out of the map exploiting with mods on. In which they were only teleported at the end, they were allowed to exploit.


   I only posted to show my support of someone who I enjoy playing with. If the rules were always enforced I truly believe Shaye 's behavior would be different. He is a product of how the server operates.