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Since things were aired out a bit last night in a call into how this all started, I will comment on here.  Im going to go against what the majority of you have said and state that I think some form of punishment was needed for both Noire and Jack.  I will also put it out publicly that once I found out staple staple was Noire's alt, that rose red flags, and a discussion was held with Nicol as well as other concerned parties. 

Here's how I see it, you know there's a problem when you have TTT staff come and ask you questions about a certain player and to find information on them, you know there's a problem when you have TTT players and staff telling you their concerns with a certain player on the server.  Both of these tie directly back to staple staple.  At this point I had known Noire had been playing on an alt on the server, but I had made no connections showing that was his alt account.  Then staple staple got banned and made a ban appeal.  I started having people ask who they were, and ended up having a discussion with another concerned party about the account.  Then it clicked, Noire had shown me a video from the TTT staff discord saying it was him with the name staple staple.  After saying to him I saw him trying to get his account unbanned, he confirmed it.  This set a discussion about how he was using his alt account.  From my perspective I understand getting on an alt account to chill on the server.  I understand getting annoyed getting called a hacker by the staff and having them go out of their way to find evidence.  But as I told Noire, if any of you are ever concerned with the behavior of another staff member, you don't take manners into your own hands.  You don't get on server and intentionally rile up the staff.  You don't get on server and have someone feed you admin chat so you can time your trolling so they get more suspicious of your actions.  Which to bring up a point with this directly, how come it's suddenly ok to a lot of you that before it was public that staple staple was Noire, you saw his actions as trolling, but now that it's public, you defend his actions as not trolling?

As for the punishments received, I have several things to say on that as well.  First, I agree that some kind of action needed to be taken against what these two were doing.  You don't take manners into your own hands, you don't toy with the staff.  Second, a lot of people have been complaining for awhile now that there's been a lack of action taken against problematic members and staff.  We've been working on cracking down on things more and more, but suddenly when it's change or someone you like, you throw as much as you can into it to further divide people.  You complain that there's a big divide, but instead of working together to discuss things, you all throw shade at each other and throw hateful garbage around.  It doesn't fix anything and only leaves a bigger hole, and that's why a lot of people are giving up on helping any of you anymore, myself included.  I had a very interesting discussion with someone in the community about how if you lose certain pillars of the community, it will crumble.  The way that things are going and the way you all handle every decision made, it's going to crumble a lot sooner than you expect.  Tangent aside, my third point is these are actions that were taken that can be reversed by  Noire and Jack, through showing they can be trusted and putting effort into their staffing as they continue to staff for the community.  They aren't barred from applying, and they aren't shunned from the community or permabanned.  This time is more important than ever for both of them, step up and learn from what happened.  If you can't see that there was any fault at all, then I can't see you getting back to where you were.

I don't want this all to fall on Nicol.  He's trying, and he's asking for guidance as he learns how to handle harder situations.  I'm partially to blame for leaving suddenly without making sure he was ready, but my hand felt forced because of things that were going on at the time in the community.  I've been trying to help guide him as are others, but you all need to have a little patience before you lose him as an admin too.

my only problem in this is how high of a jump the punishment was when much worse has happened that resulted in no demotion while I agree with a punishment being handed out i don't think demotion was the choice to pick considering i think noire's one of the better mods ttt has rn and no one has confirmed if dink even oked this demotion when to my knowledge this has to go through him since its a demotion. I honestly think a firm warning with harsher consequences for messing with fellow staff would be fine