[matt_st3 (Strongrule)]

The week is a reduction already ?
Anyways admins are looking at it to see if anything further should be done

[Hani]

that's not the point i'm trying to get across u and him both said this was not intentional so this should be a reduction and how does your rules not state stuff on accidental rdm witch happens all the time and i bet the only person that brought this up in a report/admin chat was daegen

I'm not for or against either an unban or reduction, I really don't care. I'm explaining what happened as I had already discussed with an admin on what to do.

Yes Daegan brought it up, while I was alive and saw God had left. I was going to give one slay and a day ban. Then I saw he damaged all those people, I spoke with gabe and the lesson here is that unless you're a traitor that's throwing shit at a group of innos, you probably shouldn't throw an incend because it can do a lot. He wouldn't have gotten banned in the first place had he just stayed in the server rather than leaving within the first minute of that round. 

I personally don't like that we ban for rdm and leaves in respect to 1 day - 1 week - permanently. Though it states that's what we're supposed to be doing as staff, I just put context into the problem when deciding what to do. As yes they already have the slays, we still ban for when they leave. 

Also people always accidentally rdm but it's still rdm, it's not up to us if we forgive the report, it's up to the victim of the report. If they leave then oh well, rules are rules. I'm just doing what I gotta do. I was firm with the decision as I had already gotten the second opinion of a higher up.

[FisherMan Joe]

well the rules state that it has to be intentional

[God (2)]

I just don't understand the bigger meaning here. Obviously i'm not an rdmer i make friends on the server and play it everyday. If both parties say it was unintentional and they both understand that why is this still the problem??? -let me add someone, I didn't throw into a group i threw it in a corner people walked into it i saw where it landed and saw it go off and no one was on it when it exploded it was after the fact.

[daeganislegit]

I just don't understand the bigger meaning here. Obviously i'm not an rdmer i make friends on the server and play it everyday. If both parties say it was unintentional and they both understand that why is this still the problem??? -let me add someone, I didn't throw into a group i threw it in a corner people walked into it i saw where it landed and saw it go off and no one was on it when it exploded it was after the fact.

i was next to you wdym you threw it next to me then someone threw a discobob and made more damage

[Tedgp908]

Here we go-

As the rules state - “RDM and Leave Punishment: Defined as leaving the game with an active report or after a slay has been assigned from a report.” This means that the RDMer has to be on the server when a report is filed against them, then leave. This criteria has to be met in order to ban for RDM + Leave ban.

According to Hani -“ He left soon after Daegan killed him, which was at the beginning of the round and he didn't stay until it ended. So even if they wanted to report, they couldn't have because by the time they could see the current damage logs, he was already gone.” This states that a report was not filed against this user. Since a report was not filed against the user, before he left, the criteria was not met to ban for RDM + Leave as laid out in the rules.


Conclusion: User should not have been banned per the definition of RDM + Leave in the rules.

[daeganislegit]

Here we go-

As the rules state - “RDM and Leave Punishment: Defined as leaving the game with an active report or after a slay has been assigned from a report.” This means that the RDMer has to be on the server when a report is filed against them, then leave. This criteria has to be met in order to ban for RDM + Leave ban.

According to Hani -“ He left soon after Daegan killed him, which was at the beginning of the round and he didn't stay until it ended. So even if they wanted to report, they couldn't have because by the time they could see the current damage logs, he was already gone.” This states that a report was not filed against this user. Since a report was not filed against the user, before he left, the criteria was not met to ban for RDM + Leave as laid out in the rules.


Conclusion: User should not have been banned per the definition of RDM + Leave in the rules.

I did it during the round I belive

[Tedgp908]

Here we go-

As the rules state - “RDM and Leave Punishment: Defined as leaving the game with an active report or after a slay has been assigned from a report.” This means that the RDMer has to be on the server when a report is filed against them, then leave. This criteria has to be met in order to ban for RDM + Leave ban.

According to Hani -“ He left soon after Daegan killed him, which was at the beginning of the round and he didn't stay until it ended. So even if they wanted to report, they couldn't have because by the time they could see the current damage logs, he was already gone.” This states that a report was not filed against this user. Since a report was not filed against the user, before he left, the criteria was not met to ban for RDM + Leave as laid out in the rules.


Conclusion: User should not have been banned per the definition of RDM + Leave in the rules.

I did it during the round I belive

After he already left, so it does not meet the criteria for a RDM+Leave ban.

[Hani]

Here we go-

As the rules state - “RDM and Leave Punishment: Defined as leaving the game with an active report or after a slay has been assigned from a report.” This means that the RDMer has to be on the server when a report is filed against them, then leave. This criteria has to be met in order to ban for RDM + Leave ban.

According to Hani -“ He left soon after Daegan killed him, which was at the beginning of the round and he didn't stay until it ended. So even if they wanted to report, they couldn't have because by the time they could see the current damage logs, he was already gone.” This states that a report was not filed against this user. Since a report was not filed against the user, before he left, the criteria was not met to ban for RDM + Leave as laid out in the rules.


Conclusion: User should not have been banned per the definition of RDM + Leave in the rules.

He did have a report on him by Daegan. I meant the other two people that were damaged couldn't have reported as they couldn't see until the end when he was already long gone.
Situations like these it's just up to staff discretion, as are most things. This one was already discussed by me and Gabe. 

Also by that logic, a player comes and and rdm's two people and they leave immediately. No reports because he left asap so no ban? 

Ok thank I'm done I don't think this needs any further explanation.

[God (2)]

but thats rdm and leave I didn't rdm him i was getting rid of an inced, not trying to kill him.